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Need the page that shows the 43 leaves from which books etc. Facebook, PBF, CARM?

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I wonder if you would see sharper knife marks there
especially on the three leaves that are not in a quire
I can set up a page with that question ")

David W. Daniels

When 1871 showed me that he had been permitted by Kyrillos to take the book TO HIS QUARTERS, that told me he had most of all the privacy he needed.

He did not cut leaves, he cut strings on the quire
Everything fits the removal of quires, as i fully described the process in the book.

To get a center page, you just cut carefully around the holes for the threads. You don't even have to cut strings








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James E Snapp Jr this in the writings of Athanasius - the Arian condemnations at Sirmium:
“19. Whosoever says that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one Person, be he anathema.”
The verse is so unique that it leaks in the theology of those who knew it. Origen, for example, wrestled with possibility that the H.S. might have been created, whereas Damasus (and some others) clearly show their realization of it.


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    “19. Whosoever says that the Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost are one Person, be he anathema.”
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    The following extract is from the 1853 translation of Socrates' Ecclesiastical History, volume ii, chapter XLV, page 163:- ". but when Macedonius began to deny the Divinity of the Holy Spirit in the Trinity, Eustathius said, 'I can neither admit that the Holy Spirit is God, nor can I dare affirm him to be a creature'. For this reason those who hold the consubstantiality of the Son call these heretics 'Pneumatomachi' [footnote - 'ie Adversaries of the Holy Spirit'].
 
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Book on Simonides from Greek writer who did excellent on Benedict
Nikolos Farmakidis

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German forgers

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But the Germans weren't into that kind of thing. They had reputations to maintain, unlike Simonides.
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Reinhold Vasters

Wolfgang and Helene Beltracci

Robert Driessen

Undoubtedly the most comprehensive and authoritative reference source for collectors of Germany as well as its colonies and states is the Reference Manual of Forgeries published by the Germany Philatelic Society, commonly known as the GPS Reference Manual of Forgeries.
(15 volumes)
 
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The Home and Foreign Review

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die disagreeable Ceding of uncertainty as to the authenticity of the
Greek text tirst published by Anger at Leipzig in 1850 frotn a copy
purchased from Simonides. Tischendorf and others expressed the
opinion that this text was not the original Hermas, but a Greek trans-
lation of die old Latin version. This suspicion is. however, entirely set
at rest by Tisciicndorf's discovery of the Sinaitic text, which agrees
with that of Leipzig us much as it is possible for an older and better
to agree with a later and less pure text. Passages which had excited
suspicion, such as mmnpvo? tl npi rat vpa^lt (=rtr.nda k circtf
scriptuitis of die Vatican text), Vi*. iii. 3, are not found in the Sinaitic
text; but at all events we have proof that that of Leipzig, though cor-
rupt, is not a forgery, and we have ample means of deciding its relative
value as compared with the Latin and Kthiopic versions. In the Epistle
of Barnabas some passages which had hitherto resisted all attempts at
explanation or satisfactory emendation are at once cleared up by the
readings lately discovered. One of these is in the fourth chapter, “Non
similetis cis, <|in |>cccuta sum cougerunt, et dicunt quia testamcntum
illorum et nostrum est. Nostrum est quia illi in per|x>tuutn perdide-
runt illud, quod Moyscs accepit.” Keitinnayr corrects tliis to “illorum
et non nostrumDressel to “ illorum non et nostrum.” We supjKise
no one will here prefer the “ dun* lectio” to the easier Acyomur ort rj
CiaCh/Kij rjfjuov ptv’ a\A cKcteot ovrour cor rcAexr avwA«nn' avrtjv k. r.A.
The Sinaitic codex leaves out the important quotation from the Gos|>el
hitherto read iu the nineteenth chapter of Barnabas ; but, on the other
hand, it retains the formula “ sicut scriptuin est” before the words
“ Many are called, but few arc chosen,” at the cud of the fourth
chapter.

Compare Athous , 1856 Anger and Sinaiticus
Compare Barnabas "emendations" ?

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You also did not tell them that Kyrillos was really a renegade, a Muslim masquerading more as an Orthodox, according to both Constantius I and the Patriarch of Jerusalem, to whom Constantius admitted it in confession. All that with full documentation, is in my book. These guys need to be strung out on a line for everyone to see their dirty dealing.
 
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If Simonides had to go back in time to make a case for Sinaiticus he would have to take the time machine and : Write a Sinaiticus-sister Hermas Arrange everything at Athos in 1840 with Kallinikos and Benedict as in the Spyridon catalog Be a skilled calligraphist when very young What else ?
 
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I have a Sinaiticus thought for you to consider - it starts with how we notice that Uspensky does not say a part of Hermas and that fits with a Tischendorf dump.

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I noticed that. But Simonides says part of Hermas at every point, as did Constantius. JSL Vol. 3 (1863), p. 215. “I therefore took possession of this book, and prepared it by taking out the leaf containing the discourse, and by removing several others injured by time and moths, after which I began my task. First, I copied out the Old and New Testaments, then the Epistle of Barnabas, the first part of the pastoral writings of Hermas in capital letters (called uncial characters) in the style known in caligraphy [sic] as αμφιδεξιος (amphidexios). The transcription of the remaining Apostolic writings, however, I declined, because the supply of parchment ran short, and the severe loss which I sustained in the death of Benedict induced me to hand the work over at once to the bookbinder of the monastery, for the purpose of replacing the original covers, made of wood and covered with leather, which I had removed for convenience—and when he had done so, I took it into my possession.” Constantius' letter is quoted on p. 278 of Who Faked: "Simonides visited Constantius’ home sometime before August of 1841. The book was submitted to “the library of Mt. Sinai,” meaning at St. Catherine’s monastery because Callistratus, who would check the text for accuracy, was there. Simonides continued: “The patriarch was, however, absent from home, and I, consequently, left the packet for him with a letter. On his return, he wrote me the following answer:— “‘My dearly beloved Son in the Holy Spirit, Simonides; Grace be with you and peace from God. “‘I received with unfeigned satisfaction your truly valuable transcript of the Holy Scriptures—namely, the Old and New Testaments, together with the Epistle of St. Barnabas and the first part of the pastoral writings of Hermas, bound in one volume, which shall be placed in the library of Mount Sinai, according to your wish.." Uspensky only took a small piece of a previously cut page of Hermas and took it. So it wasn't complete when Uspensky saw it, despite his boring its presence. Who Faked, p. 291: "The critics, in response, accused Uspensky of taking manuscripts, as well. They were using that argument to make Tischendorf look less guilty. But that’s not true. Uspensky only took a piece of a page that was already cut. He simply removed another piece of the same page. Uspensky did the exact same thing with another suspicious page in The Shepherd of Hermas, the other book known to have Simonides’ acrostics. Both the Genesis piece and the Hermaspiece (both missing the margin) are in the National Library of Russia to this day."
 
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imy india ink page

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There was a method of erasing what was on a nice healthy vellum page. They could, of course, use washing. But they could also use pumice, which would fully erase the text in a manner not easily readable afterward. The monks would have known this and after all their own work, not have stooped to India Ink. I think, rather, that it was not a monk, but maybe someone else, who did the sloppy deed.







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And again comes the simple question: Why?






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If it were seen to have any value at all, why ruin it with something so blatant?







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Right - plus it was probably never done to manuscripts, and the idea is modern sloppy






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Although Cooper talks of something in Vaticanus - I’ll see if I can make heads or tails of it




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Wonder if in Tisch facsimile






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I am comparing the photos to the facsimile right now






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On Q48 f8v, the smudge is on the photo, but blank on Tischendorf. But the barely visible, almost ghostly note on the bottom right is plainly visible on Tischendorf's fascimile







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And on Q48 f8r, the whole insert notation on the left is there in both, but the big inky smudge is not noted on Tischendorf's facsimile






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Hmmm … something to hide mr. Tisch?
 
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  - The False Claims of Constantine Simonides Regarding Sinaiticus

I am extremely grateful for the two PDFs, and I encourage everyone on this thread to read them.
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At the end of 1 Maccabees - Quire 40 - Quire 41 has 4
At the end of Malachi - Quire 58 has 6

At the end of John - ends at Quire 81, Folio 6v, and then Romans starts at Quire 82, Folio 1r.
Dirk Jongkind believes that the second John quire began as an 8-leaf quire.

At the end of Revelation - Quire 91 has 6
At the end of Barnabas - Quiire 92 has 2

Jongkind said
"Three quires have their last one or two folios cut out, apparently because these were left blank. Three other quires have less folios, because they were formed by using only one, two or three sheets."

Looking for the three 40, etc. maybe in Jongkind

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The False Claims of Constantine Simonides Regarding Sinaiticus

  - Codex Sinaiticus and Constantine Simonides - was Simonides calligraphy skills good enough to forge the Codex Siniaticus?

If he saw Codex Sinaiticus - Why did he make the codicology blunder? One possibility, he was shown another manuscript, or a copy. If you're prepared to give such criticism, you must be prepared to take it! Shall we begin to enumerate your Greek paleographical blunders Mr Avery? No. 1 You...
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New Testament Manuscripts: Their Texts and Their World (2006)
edited by Thomas J Kraus, Tobias Nicklas
One Codex, Three Scribes, and Many Books: Struggles with Space in Codex Sinaiticus
Dirk Jongkind
https://books.google.com/books?id=oxJYEAAAQBAJ&pg=PA122


The basic physical unit of the codex is the quaternion, a gathering or quire of four sheets folded together. Thus, each quire consists of four sheets and eight folios, what makes 16 pages.4 Assuming that Hermas was the last book included in the original codex, it must have contained around 95 quires, of which 50 survive almost completely. Not all the extant quires are regular. Three quires, which started their life as standard eight-folio quires, have their last one or two folios cut out, apparently because these were left blank.5 Three other quires have less folios, because they were formed by using only one, two or three sheets.6 Despite the occasional glitch, the original design of the codex has been consistently followed throughout.

6 Namely quires 40, 90 and 91.

40
90
91


1 Maccabees - Quire 41 - 4 leaves
Malachi - Quire 58 - 6 leaves
John - Quire 81, 6 leaves
Dirk Jongkind believes that the second John quire began as an 8-leaf quire.
Revelation - Quire 91 - 6 leaves
Barnabas - Quiire 92 - 2 leaves
 
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Kirk

Paul Anderson - Wallace story
Apostolic Bible
English Erasmus guy - Andrew Brown
Brian
 
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Malcolm Choat and Rachel and
Libraries - ASK
see TNC post

Parablepsis: When Nothing Is Something
https://www.thetextofthegospels.com/2019/02/parablepsis-when-nothing-is-something.html

The Lutheran Quarterly - (1880)
Peculiarities of the Codex Sinaiticus
Charles Augustus Hay
https://books.google.com/books?id=xAxIAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA153
2 sections?
p. 153-175


Casper Rene Gregory Bibliography

how does Gregory speak of others who doubt the good faith of Tischendorf? as stated by Kenyon

Handbook to the textual criticism of the New Testament: With 16 facsimiles (1900) Kenyon https://books.google.com/books?id=q5MwAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA48 1 It is told several times by Tischendorf in the various publications to which his discovery gave rise, viz. Notitia cditionis codicis Bibliorum...
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Scot McKendrick on Vaticanus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUMDfriJW4A

Also discussion with David W. Daniels

David Daniels Interview Part Two -- Is Codex Vaticanus a Forgery?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hC0czphwhZs

CHRIS PINTO and DAVID DANIELS (Chick Publications) on Codex Sinaiticus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZhNHIuwh9g&t

My Search for Hebrew New Testament Manuscripts - NehemiasWall.com
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WO_mLthgqQg

Codex Vaticanus
Dr. James Scudder Dr. David Sorenson Dr. David Brown Clip of Dr. Scot McKendrick of the British Library - Adullam Films
https://www .youtube.com/watch?v=a6C6CIyGj8M

 
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