modern and current scholars who accept the pre-70 AD dating for the Gospels and often the full New Testament

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modern and current scholars who accept the pre-70 AD dating for the Gospels and often the full New Testament
https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...ospels-and-often-the-full-new-testament.1267/

New Testament early dating, synoptics, Wenham, Theophilus, Philo and much more
https://purebibleforum.com/index.ph...s-wenham-theophilus-philo-and-much-more.1016/

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John Arthur Thomas Robinson (1919-1983)

John William Wenham (1913-1996)

Edward Earle Ellis (1926-2010)

James G. Crossley (b. 1972)
https://www.amazon.com/Date-Marks-Gospel-Christianity-Testament/dp/0567081958
"Mark's gospel .... dates from sometime between the late 30s and early 40s CE. "

Maurice Casey (1942-2014) definite on Mark

Martin Mosse
Mark in the 40s
Dating Mark - A Response to Brandon Giella
https://www.academia.edu/43567923/Dating_Mark_A_Response_to_Brandon_Giella
Jesus and Christian Origins: Directions toward a New Paradigm
edited by Ben Wiebe
https://books.google.com/books?id=AGSLDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA93
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As I have argued in chapter 1, there is a very strong case, originating from Edmundson,21 that Mark, the first Gospel, was written c. 45, just twelve years after the crucifixion. It is difficult to see much memory-induced distortion taking effect in that interval, even without Sherwin-Whites affirmations.
21. Edmundson, Church in Rome, 1913.
The Church in Rome in the 1st Century
books.google.com

The Church in Rome in the First Century

books.google.com
Harnack has come to the conclusion that ‘ internal indications place no impediment in the way of assigning Mark at the latest to the sixth decade of the first century.’ 4 But it is fairly certain that Mark was not at Rome during the sixth decade, and there can therefore be no objection to accepting the voice of tradition, which makes the Gospel to have been written for the use of St. Peter's Roman converts about the year 45 a.d.


Jesse Luke Richards has a thesis that reviews the history of Mark's dating proposals
Jesus, the Jewish law, and the Gospel of Mark: a critical evaluation of a proposed early date for the composition of Mark
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sou...wQFnoECB8QAQ&usg=AOvVaw1nEM7TzgHEYptEkAnIh4nE
https://scholar.acadiau.ca/node/2150

Graham Jackman

The New Testament and the People of God (1992)
Nicholas Thomas Wright
https://books.google.com/books?id=YJ1aRCg31xUC&pg=PT395

Dating the New Testament writings

It is still possible to find serious works of scholarship dating the entire New Testament before AD 70. (For example: John A. T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament, 1976, and John W. Wenham, Redating Matthew, Mark & Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem, 1991.)
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John Arthur Thomas Robinson (1919-1983)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Robinson_(bishop_of_Woolwich)

Redating the NewTestament (1976-1st edition)
http://www.katapi.org.uk/RedatingTheNT/Contents.htm - Prepared for katapi by Paul Ingram 2006.
http://www.preteristarchive.com/Books/1976_robinson_redating-testament.html - Pub. Date: 10/31/2000
http://richardwaynegarganta.com/redating-testament.pdf
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John William Wenham (1913-1996)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wenham

Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem (1992)
http://books.google.com/books?id=xWgKAAAACAAJ
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Edward Earle Ellis (1926-2010)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Earle_Ellis
Mark 50-60

The Making of the New Testament Documents (2002)
http://books.google.com/books?id=k5-J92rnKOEC

Dating the New Testament (1980)
http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract;jsessionid=F52274EB4693737E8CBC56520EF756F4.tomcat1?fromPage=online&aid=3392408
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James G. Crossley (b. 1972)
https://www.stmarys.ac.uk/staff-directory/james-crossley

The Date Of Mark's Gospel: Insight from the Law in Earliest Christianity (Journal for the Study of the New Testament Supplement series) (2004)
https://www.amazon.com/Marks-Gospel-Journal-Testament-Supplement/dp/0567081850/
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The Three Gospels (2007)
Martin Mosse
https://www.amazon.com/Three-Gospels-Martin-Mosse/dp/1498250971
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Luke's Pauline Narrative (2019)
Graham Jackman
https://books.google.com/books?id=CfPHDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA26
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We cannot be sure when Peter preached in Rome; as I argued in my Re-
reading Romans in Context, Peter may well have spent time in Rome in about
AD 42-44 after he left Jerusalem for 'another place' (Acts 12:17) and may
well have made a further visit in about AD 55-56, after the death of Emperor
Claudius permitted Jews to return to Rome.18 Whichever of these two visits
is referred to by Clement and Eusebius, plenty of time is left for Mark to have
written his Gospel well before AD 60 - and thus also for Luke, if he really did
refer to Mark, to compose his in the late 50s AD, if not earlier. Martin Mosse
opts, on the basis of the evidence of other early Christian writers, for a date
around AD 45 for Mark and concludes that all the Gospels had been written
by AD 70.19 Such dating may surprise anyone who consults the usual Bible
dictionaries and commentaries on the Gospels. It is worth reflecting, how-
ever, on Mosse's comments on the implications of the standard, late dating:
... Paul, who [was] martyred in c. 67, never once heard the bulk of the teachings
is referred to by Clement and Eusebius, plenty of time is left for Mark to have
written his Gospel well before AD 60 - and thus also for Luke, if he really did
refer to Mark, to compose his in the late 50s AD, if not earlier. Martin Mosse
opts, on the basis of the evidence of other early Christian writers, for a date
around AD 45 for Mark and concludes that all the Gospels had been written
by AD 70.19 Such dating may surprise anyone who consults the usual Bible
dictionaries and commentaries on the Gospels. It is worth reflecting, how-
ever, on Mosse's comments on the implications of the standard, late dating:

18 Re-reading Romans in Context (2012), pp. 227-230.

we now call the Sermons on the Mount and on the Plain, including the command
to love our enemies ... and the multitudes who went with [him] to the cross or to
the lions in the Neronian persecution of 64 perished also in the same ignorance.
Mosse goes on to question whether early Christianity, as envisaged by such
dating, 'could ever have founded a movement which was prepared to go
joyfully to prison and martyrdom on [Jesus'] account for generation upon
generation, irrepressibly continuing to flourish.'20

... Paul, who [was] martyred in c. 67, never once heard the bulk of the teachings
we now call the Sermons on the Mount and on the Plain, including the command
to love our enemies ... and the multitudes who went with [him] to the cross or to
the lions in the Neronian persecution of 64 perished also in the same ignorance.

Mosse goes on to question whether early Christianity, as envisaged by such
dating, 'could ever have founded a movement which was prepared to go
joyfully to prison and martyrdom on [Jesus'] account for generation upon
generation, irrepressibly continuing to flourish.'20

19 Martin Mosse, The Three Gospels, pp. 257-273.
20 Martin Mosse, The Three Gospels, pp. 138-9.


Preterist Archive
Advocates for the Early Date of Revelation
(Prior to the 20th Century)
(20th-21st Centuries )
http://www.preteristarchive.com/BibleStudies/ApocalypseCommentaries/Dating/Early/index.html
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Is this still available? - see post #13

New - Dean Furlong

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[XTalk] Dating of Mark - Sept, 2005
Steven Avery
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/crosstalk2/message/19559

Many posts, including about and by Crossley
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check these and others:

Edmundson - Church in Rome (1913) - Mark 45 AD

Hemer
A. N. Sherwin-White
Moberly

Maurice Robinson

Richard H. Anderson (Theophilus Proposal)

Thomas L. Constable

Thomas Walter Manson

Author of Luke the Priest and related pubs

Carsten Peter Thiede
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Earlier - check

Johann David Michaelis et al.
(Revelation)
https://preteristarchives.org/johann-david-michaelis/?hilite=Jerusalem+Babylon

F35 colophons and Wilbur Pikering
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1601289&postcount=275
 
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UPDATING EARLY DATING
July 3, 2018
PMW 2018-053 by Kenneth L. Gentry, Jr.
https://postmillennialworldview.com/2018/07/03/updating-early-dating/

This year is the twentieth anniversary of my last edition of Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation. In that work I listed eight full pages of notable advocates for the early dating of Revelation, i.e., a date prior to AD 70. Before too long I hope to update the book altogether. But for now I would like to list some additional early date advocates beyond those found in the book.

Beasley-Murray, George R., Jesus and the Last Days: The Interpretation of the Olivet Discourse (Peabody, Mass.: Hendrikson, 1993).

Boxall, Ian, The Revelation of Saint John (BNTC) (Peabody, Mass.: Hendrikson, 2006).

Daly, Robert J., ed., Apocalyptic Thought in Early Christianity (Grand Rapids: BakerAcademic, 2009), 90n.

Eckhardt, K. A., Der Tod des Johannes (Berlin: de Gruyter, 1961) (Cited in David E. Aune, Revelation 1-5 (WBC) (Dallas: Word, 1997), lviii)

Ellis, E. Earle, The Making of the New Testament Documents (Boston: Brill, 1999).

Garrow, A. J. P., “‘That Is and What Is to Come’: The Serialized Story in the Book of Revelation” (unpublished: M. Phil. thesis: Coventry University, 1994).

Gumerlock, Francis X., Revelation and the First Century: Preterist Interpretations of the Apocalypse in Early Christianity (Powder Springs, Geo.: American Vision, 2012).

Hadorn, D. W. Die Offenbarung des Johannes, IHKNT 18 (Leipzig: Deichert, 1928). (Cited in David E. Aune, Revelation 1-5 [Dallas: Word, 1997, p, lvi)

Hartenstein, Karl. Der wiederkommende Herr: eine Auslegung der Offenbarung des Johanes für die Gemeinde (Stuttgart: Evangelische, 1953).

Hughes, Philip E., The Book of Revelation: A Commentary (Grand Rapids: Eerdmans, 1990).

Kelly, Douglas, Revelation (Cornwall, Eng.: Mentor, 2012).

Marshall, John W., Parables of War: Reading John’s Jewish Apocalypse (Waterloo, Ontario: Wilfrid Laurier , 2001), 88–97.

Moberly, R. B., “When Was Revelation Conceived?”, Biblica 73 (1992): 376–93.

Newman, B., “The Fallacy of the Domitian Hypothesis: Critique of the Irenaeus Source as a Witness for the Contemporary-historical Approach to the Interpretation of the Apocalypse,” NTS (1963–64), 133-138.

van Kooten, George H., “The Year of the Four Emperors and the Revelation of John: The ‘Pro-Neronian’ Emperors Othos and Vitellius, and the Images and Colossus of Nero in Rome,” JSNT 2007 (30:2): 205–48.

Payne, J. Barton, Encyclopedia of Biblical Prophecy: Complete Guide to Scriptural Predictions and Their Fulfillment (Grand Rapids: Baker, 1973), 592–93.

Robinson, Bernard P. “The Two Persecuted Prophet-Witnesses of Rev. 11,” Scripture Bulletin 19 (1988): 14–19.

Rojas-Flores, Gonzalo, “The Book of Revelation and the First Years of Nero’s Reign,” Biblica (2004): 375–92.

Slater, Thomas B., “Dating the Apocalypse of John,” Biblica (2003): 252–58.

Sloan, Robert B. “Revelation, the Book of,” Holman Bible Dictionary (Nashville: Holman, 1991), 1183.

Smalley, Stephen S., The Revelation to John: A Commentary on the Greek Text of the Apocalypse (Downers Grove, Ill.: InterVarsity, 2005).

Smalley, Stephen S., Thunder and Love: John’s Revelation and John’s Community (Milton Keynes, Eng.: Word, 1994), 49.

Stolt, J. “Om dateringen af Apokalypsen,” DTT 40 (1977). (Cited in David E. Aune, Revelation 1-5 [Dallas: Word, 1997], lvi)

Trudinger, Paul, “The ‘Nero Redivivus’ Rumour and the Date of the Apocalypse of John,” St. Mark’s Review, 131 (1987): 43–44.

Wilson, J. C., “The Problem of the Domitianic Date of Revelation, NTS 39 (1993): 597–605. (Cited in David E. Aune, Revelation 1-5 [Dallas: Word, 1997], lviii)

Wilson, Mark, “Revelation”, in Clinton E. Arnold, ed., Zondervan Illustrated Bible Backgrounds Commentary (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2002), 4:247.

Roland H. Worth, Jr., Seven Cities of the Apocalypse and Greco-Asian Culture (New York: Paulist, 1999), 90, 179, 205.

Wright, N. T., Jesus and the Victory of God (Minneapolis: Fortress, 1996), 358ff.
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Emphasis on the Gospel of John

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An Analysis of the Arguments for the Dating of the Fourth Gospel (2003)
David A. Croteau
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/58821862.pdf

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A Reassessment of the Date of Origin and the Destination of the Gospel of John (1970)
F. Lamar Cribbs

This continuing reappraisal of John has ... caused a number of other interpreters to urge that John may have originated a number of years earlier than even the almost uniform tradition of the early church had maintained.3... E. R. Goodenough has contended that John is “a primitive gospel” on the basis of John’s apparent ignorance of the synoptic tradition, the similiarity of John's Christology to Paul’s, and the lack of any indication that John was acquainted with the nativity traditions of Matthew and Luke.5 J. A. T. Robinson has argued that the historical background of John should be
sought for in southern Palestine “between the crucifixion and the fall of Jerusalem.”6 And Robert M. Grant has maintained that “the author was... a Jerusalem disciple of Jesus who wrote his gospel around the time of the Roman-Jewish war of 66-70 (probably not long after it) to present faith in Christ to bewildered and distressed Jewish sectarians.”7

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Wait, no specific references to the "uniform tradition of the early church??
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Daniel Wallace argues for pre-70 from John 5:2, which is evangelically clear and obvious.
Also he notes:

John 5:2 and the Date of John’s Gospel: A Response to Dan Wallace
Andreas J. Köstenberger
https://www.biblicalfoundations.org/john-52-and-the-date-of-johns-gospel-a-response-to-dan-wallace/

....subscriptions in Gospel manuscripts ....date of John. There is apparently an old tradition that I discovered recently as I was looking at a manuscript in Greece ... in which this note is added to the end of manuscripts of the Gospel of John: “This was written 32 years after the ascension of our Lord Jesus Christ.”
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http://www.datingthenewtestament.com/John.htm

Holding John the son of Zebedee to be the author of Revelation are the second century church fathers Justin Martyr and Irenaeus, along with third century fathers Clement of Alexandria, Tertullian of Carthage, Origen of Alexandria, and Hippolytus of Rome. Ignatius (35-107), Papius, Iraneus and Origin (185-254) assigned John the son of Zebedee as the author of the Gospel of John. However, Papius identifies a separate John as the writer of the letters of John and Revelation, so there is some variance in early tradition as to authorship of the Johannine letters.

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So if John was written before 70, when was it written after? John 11:49 and 11:51 indicate that at the time of writing, Caiaphas was no longer High Priest. Caiaphas was High Priest from 18-37 A.D. Few indeed would date John prior to 37, but at least this is a definte initial marker. More can perhaps be learned by comparing John to the synoptic gospels. In some cases, John fills in material left out by the previous gospels, actually addressing some questions that might have been raised by the previous gospels. Examples include:

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We see therefore that there exists multiple reasons for dating John early, and certainly prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in 70. On the other hand, John shows evidence of being written after the synoptic gospels. Given the developmental history of the synoptic gospels described on this web site, that could still be quite early. The best clue that pushes the date later is that John was probably written after the death of Peter in 64. A date of about 65 A.D. would seem reasonable.
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. This will be followed by an assessment of the extremely early 30s-45 view. A reexamination of the evidence demonstrates that a reasonable range of dates may be maintained anywhere from the 60s-90s, with the weight of the evidence tipping slightly in favor of a pre-70 date. But there are many insurmountable obstacles accompanying a date of composition as early as the 30s-45 A.D. or as late as the early second century
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1 Robert N. Wilkin states, “I take the view that John’s Gospel was written in 45, before 1 Corinthians, and I think the first book was James in 34 and then I think John was 45” (“The Bible Answer Men,” Grace Evangelical Society Seattle Regional Conference, September 29, 2007). Elsewhere, Wilkin writes that “the Gospel of John was written at least ten years after Jesus rose from the dead and it says that the way Jesus evangelized is still effective today” (Bob Wilkin, “Scavenger Hunt Salvation without a List,” Grace in Focus 23 [May/June 2008]: 4). John Niemelä, on the other hand, views A.D. 45 as possibly too late for the completion of John’s Gospel, seeing “no reason why it couldn’t have been written in the 30s” (“The Bible Answer Men,” Grace Evangelical Society Seattle Regional Conference, September 29, 2007).

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I recognize that John’s Gospel has not always stood fourth throughout the manuscript history, since Codex Washingtonianus, for example, has the order of Matthew, John, Luke, and Mark (Bruce M. Metzger, The Text of the New Testament: Its Transmission, Corruption, and Restoration. 3rd ed. [Oxford: Oxford University Press, 1992] 56). But this is atypical; John is normally fourth.

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Order of Composition
A third introductory issue requiring clarification is that of order. The matter of date for the Gospel of John must be properly distinguished from that of its order of composition relative to other New Testament books. Even if John could be dated very early, this would not necessarily make it the first book of the New Testament to be written. Thus, some who hold to a view of Johannine priority concede that at least one book was written before John’s Gospel, namely the Epistle of James in A.D. 34.9 However, the subject of John’s date cannot be entirely divorced from the question of order relative to the other New Testament books. The claim that John came very early, in the 30s-45, carries with it the implied assertion that John preceded the remainder of the New Testament since other New Testament books could not have been written contemporaneously with John if indeed John was composed in the 30s-45. To maintain, for instance, that the Book of Acts and the Epistles were written in the 30s would present glaring historical anachronisms since these books could not have been written earlier than the events they describe.

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Final Decade
Edward Stevens
https://www.academia.edu/30156418/Final_Decade_Stevens

So, it seems to me that John's gospel was probably written about the time of Paul's journey to Rome, or shortly afterwards during Paul's first year of imprisonment. Since I think John was sent to Patmos in the Spring of AD 62, I place the writing of his gospel in that two year period between Paul's voyage to Rome (Fall 60) and John's exile to Patmos (April 62). That means it was written before his exile to Patmos. He would have written it at a time when the gospel was still being fervently preached, while there was still a need for such gospel writings, and while it was still safe to send such documents out to the churches (i.e., definitely before the Neronic persecution in AD 64). Eusebius places its writing not long after the other three gospels, because John had seen them and noticed that they did not cover some of the earlier history of Jesus at the beginning of his ministry before John was imprisoned, plus some other details about his role as an eyewitness at the tomb of Jesus on resurrection morning, which the other gospel accounts did not mention.There does not seem to be any indication that Luke had seen John's gospel, but John appears to have been aware of Luke's account of Peter running to the tomb. But that does not mean that Luke's account was already finished. When Luke was doing his research in Jerusalem, he evidently did not consult with John, but only Peter. When John realized that Luke did not have the whole story about that incident of Peter (and John) running to the tomb, he may have decided to produce his own gospel account and include that story. In that case, it did not require Luke's gospel to already be written, but merely that John was aware of Luke's lack of full information about it. When John realized that Luke did not have the full story and had already gone to Rome, John may have decided to write the rest of the story in his own account of the gospel. This is why I suggest that John's gospel was probably not written until Paul's journey to Rome, or shortly afterwards during Paul's first year of imprisonment (AD 60-61). Since I think John was exiled to Patmos in the Spring of AD 62, that would give us a range of a year and a half between Paul's voyage to Rome (Fall 60) and John's exile to Patmos (April 62).

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Wilbur Pickering on the colophons of the F35 group

AFF
http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com/showpost.php?p=1601289&postcount=275

WM 86: Review: Pickering's Greek NT and English Translation (2017)
Jeffrey Riddle
http://www.jeffriddle.net/2017/12/wm-86-review-pickerings-greek-nt-and.html

Notes on the ending of Mark (16:20):
It cites the colophon note on the date as “published ten years after the ascension of Christ.”

Notes on the ending of Luke (24:53):
It cites the colophon note on the date of Luke as “published fifteen years after the ascension of Christ.”

Notes on the ending of John (21:25):
It cites the colophons on the date of John as “published thirty-two years after the ascension of Christ.”

Notes on ending of Matthew (28:20):
Note 7, p. 87 observes that 50% of the colophons for the f35 mss. read “published eight years after the ascension of Christ.” Pickering suggests, “this probably means that the tradition is ancient.” He adds:

If this information is correct, then Matthew was “published” in 38/39 AD. The same sources have Mark published two years later (40/41) and Luke another five years later (45/46), while John was “published” thirty-two years after the ascension, or 61/62 AD. Not only were the authors eyewitnesses of the events, but many others were still alive when the Gospels appeared. They could attest to the veracity of the accounts, but could also be the source of textual variants, adding tidbits here and there, or ‘correcting’ something that they remembered differently.
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The Purpose of Mark's Gospel: An Early Christian Response to Roman Imperial Propaganda (2008)​

Adam Winn​

attempts to date Mark's gospel have varied widely, with some proposing a date as early as 42 c.e.1 and others pushing its composition into the


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Since I think John was exiled to Patmos in the Spring of AD 62, that would give us a range of a year and a half between Paul's voyage to Rome (Fall 60) and John's exile to Patmos (April 62).
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How could it be? Domitian was Roman emperor from 81 to 96.

Born24 October 51
Rome, Italy, Roman Empire
Died18 September 96 (aged 44)
Rome, Italy

The apostle John was exiled to the island of Patmos in AD 95 by Dormitian, Emperor of Rome. Domitian was Emperor of Rome from Ad 81 to 96. Between 93 and 96 he arrested, imprisoned, exiled and executed many of his perceived enemies, including Roman noblemen, Senators and even his wife.


According to Papias, one of John's disciples, John later went to the city of Ephesus. He was exiled under Emperor Domitian to the island Patmos. It was there that he wrote the Book of Revelation, which is the 27th book of the New Testament. Jesus first encountered John and his brother James on the shores of Galilee.
 
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Maurice Casey is added to the list above and a quote from James G. Crossley:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/The...7065776580211&notif_t=group_comment&ref=notif

  • Casey, Maurice. Aramaic Sources of Mark’s Gospel. Cambridge University Press, 2007.
We now have a purely critical argument for an earlier date than is conventional. If Mark wrote as late as 65, he would surely have altered these passages as much as he edited some others. We have seen how Matthew and Luke felt a need to do so. Once again, this basic observation does not give us a precise date. It does, however, mean that a date c. 40 CE must be regarded as highly probable.
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  • Crossley, James G. The Date of Mark’s Gospel: Insight from the Law in Earliest Christianity. Bloomsbury T&T Clark, 2004.
This now becomes an argument of powerful collective weight for Mark to have been written before the late forties and if this is combined with the analysis of Mark 13 in Chapter 2 it is unlikely that it was written no earlier than the mid to late thirties.
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These lists can be compared with lists of who accepts Pastorals

There might be more dating on a Theophilus thread

See the questions in Reddit about conservative scholars, also consider Patristics for Protestants.
 
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https://x.com/johngacinski/status/1718283115511066933?s=61&t=CN7Xq1azV7DXPhFnIj20TA

How Early Are the Biblical Accounts of Jesus? -
J. Warner Wallace
https://t.co/dy0h0b3Fvs

Giuseppe Ricciotti
Ricciotti was an Italian Bible scholar, archeologist and historian. He wrote extensively, including seminal works on the Life of Christ and Paul the Apostle. Ricciotti concluded that the gospels were written early on the basis of some of the same lines of internal textual evidence that we have cited in this article. He argued that the Gospel of Matthew was written from 50 to 55AD, that the Gospel of Mark was written from 55 to 60AD, that the Gospel of Luke was written near 60AD, and that the Gospel of John was written near 100AD.

John Arthur Thomas Robinson
Robinson was a former Anglican bishop and New Testament scholar who wrote “Redating the New Testament”. Although Robinson was known for his theological liberalism (revealed in his 1963 book entitled, “Honest to God”), he rejected the late dating of the liberal school of “form criticism”. He utilized an historical approach to his research (grounded primarily the fall of Jerusalem in 70AD) to conclude that the gospels were written early. He argued that the Gospel of Matthew was written from 40 to 60AD, that the Gospel of Mark was written from 45 to 60AD, that the Gospel of Luke was written from 57 to 60AD, and that the Gospel of John was written from 40 to 65AD.

John W. Wenham
Wenham was a Professor of New Testament Greek and Biblical scholar. He wrote “Redating Matthew, Mark and Luke: A Fresh Assault on the Synoptic Problem” and concluded that the gospels were written early by comparing them to one another and examining their relationship to the early writings and traditions of Church Fathers from the first to third century. He concluded that the Gospel of Matthew was written near 40AD, that the Gospel of Mark was written near 45AD, and that the Gospel of Luke was written by the mid-50’s.

Birger Gerhardsson
Gerhardsson is a Swedish Biblicist and and professor at Lund University. He wrote “The Reliability of the Gospel Tradition” and examined the Jewish oral and written tradition, particularly the teaching and memorization techniques of Jewish Rabbis in Jesus’ day. A similar approach to the evidence was also presented by Harald Riesenfeld (Sweden), Thorleif Boman (Norway). All these scholars conclude that the gospels are consistent with the teaching and memorization traditions of first century Rabbi’s. As a result, they conclude that the gospels should be dated very early.

Marcel Jousse
Jousse is a Biblical scholar from France. He wrote “L’anthropologie du geste” and examined the Semitic nature and rhythm of Jesus’ statements in the gospels. He concluded that the gospels are consistent with the language and characteristics of first century rabbinical teaching. As a result, he also concluded that the gospels should be dated very early.

Jean Carmignac
Carmignac is a French scholar who spent twenty years researching the Hebrew language as a backdrop to the writing of the gospels. He wrote “The Birth of the Synoptic Gospels” and concluded that one or more of the gospels had a Semitic origin (other scholars like Robert Lindsey, David Flusser, Pinchas Lapide and David Bivin agree). His work argued that the synoptic gospels (Matthew, Mark and Luke) formed amidst the Jewish culture of the first half of the first century. He concluded that the Gospel of Mark was written from 42 to 55AD, that the Gospel of Matthew was written from 50 to 60AD, and that the Gospel of Luke was written from 50 to 60AD.

Philippe Rolland
Rolland is a Biblical scholar from France. He wrote “Epitre aux Romains: Texte Grec Structure” among other works. He ultimately compared the language of several New Testament letters and the Book of Acts and formed the opinion that the Gospel of Matthew was first written in Hebrew near 40AD, then translated into Greek from 63 to 64AD along with the Gospel of Luke. He argued that the Gospel of Mark appeared in 66 or 67Ad and that the Gospel of John appeared near 100AD.

Carsten Peter Thiede
Theide was a German papyrologist, archaeologist and New Testament scholar. He wrote “The Jesus Papyri” He examined three papyrus fragments of the Gospel of Matthew from Luxor Egypt (now housed at Magdalen College, Oxford) and concluded that they dated to 60AD.
 
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Revelation before 70
https://m.facebook.com/groups/Prete...-please-trying-to-convinc/27420726874237434/?

“When the man comes around” by Douglas Wilson. It’s a commentary on revelation

James Stuart Russell's commentary on the pre-A.D. 70 date of Revelation
russellparousia.blogspot.com.
one of the three excerpts:
https://russellparousia.blogspot.com/2024/02/the-pre-ad-70-date-of-revelations.html

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interview with Ken Gentry.
https:// youtu.be/lLLE4srpZOA?si=WRQ4VgizWPtMwEGO

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Before Jerusalem Fell
Kenneth Gentry
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That is the free PDF version of the first edition.
 
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  • Ken Gentry: Author of Before Jerusalem Fell (1998), which argues for a pre-A.D. 70 date
  • John A. T. Robinson: An advocate for an early date
  • J. M. Ford: An advocate for an early date
  • J. B. Lightfoot: A New Testament scholar who advocated for an early date
  • B. F. Westcott: A New Testament scholar who advocated for an early date
  • F. J. A. Hort: A New Testament scholar who advocated for an early date

 
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These are likely in the Preterist Archive listd

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The Historical Setting of the Writing of Revelation
Dr. Greg Greg Bahnsen

Pret Archive extract

Greg Bahnsen (1984)
“When we combine the names (of the pre-20th century advocates of the early dating of the Apocalypse of John) with the yet outstanding stature of Schaff, Terry, Lightfoot, Westcott, and Hort, we can feel the severity of Beckwith’s understatement when in 1919 he described the Neronian dating for Revelation as “a view held by many down to recent times.” By many indeed! It has been described, as we saw above, as “the ruling view” of critics,” by “the majority of modern critics,” by “most modern scholars,” and by “the whole force of modern criticism.” The weight of scholarship placed behind the Neronian option for the dating of Revelation has been staggering. In our won day it has gained the support of such worthies as C.C. Torrey, J.A.T. Robinson, and F.F. Bruce and has been popularized by Jay Adams. In 1956 Torrey could write about the number 666, “It is now the accepted conclusion that the beast is the emperor Nero.” (Historical Setting for the Dating of Revelation)
 
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