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(Gaius) Marius Victorinus (Afer) .. note the various three are one quotes, and the hymn contra Arians
Gaius Marius Victorinus - (fl 4th century)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius_Victorinus
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Amongst the earliest Latin Fathers to cite Jn 10:30 to demonstrate the unity of Father and Son
Adversus Arium IA.8
IA. 9
IA 13 - maybe see below
IA. 29
III. 17
IV.10;
De generatione divini verbi 1;
Commentarium in Ephes. II.5.2
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Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154: “Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
Adversus Arium III. 18, CSEL 83:223: “Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.” See also Marius Victorinus,
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi] Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1)
p. 23
p. 25
Grantley may be giving three good spots in one paragraph.
Five total.
Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum […].”
https://books.google.com/books?id=KTIAWFyMyfsC&pg=PA497
http://www.mlat.uzh.ch/download_pl/...file=008_Marius-Victorinus_Adversus-Arium.xml - change the xml ?
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154:
“Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA154
https://books.google.com/books?id=mNza_1QUFKoC&pg=PA474
Adversus Arium III.18, CSEL 83:223:
“Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=F8Hmq2N-I-8C&pg=PA70
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA223
The one here might be TWOGIG on the Philippians Commentary
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi;
Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1)
Adversus Arium - III 18 S. 133, 31 f -Matthias Baltes
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TWOGIG
HITS:
[Commentary on Philippians] Remember that God is one, his Son is one and his Holy Spirit is one, and all three are one. If so, then we too ought to be one in our thoughts, so as to”be of the same mind”with the one God. Then it follows that we are to”have the same love.”To be of the same mind pertains to knowledge, while to have the same love pertains to discipline, to the conduct of life.
(Marius Victorinus; Epistles to the Philippians 2.5)
o Latin: Etenim si unus Deus, si unus eius filius, si unus Spiritus sanctus est, si omnia ista tria unum, ita debemus et nos unum habere quod sentimus, ut idem sentiamus omnes. Deinde sequitur ut eamdem dilectionem exerceamus. Hoc iam ad moralem disciplinam, id est ad vitam pertinet; illud ad scientiam.
(Marii Victorini Afri, In Epistolam Pauli ad Philippenses Liber 2, verse 5; Migne Latina, PL 8.1205)
[Against Arius, Book 1.12] And what does he [the Holy Spirit] say?”Whatever I shall have said,”(Jn 14:26) said Christ.”I shall have said”is in the future. What future? Not the immediate future, but the one that comes after his ascent to the Father. And if this is so, the Paraclete coming from God in the name of Christ teaches what Jesus says. Is it therefore Jesus himself, or another Jesus, or is Jesus present in this other Paraclete, that is, the Holy Spirit, as God is present in him? Although existing as three in a series, these three are also one (et unum sunt tria) and the three are homoousion (consubstantial). For Christ certainly says: ”I go away and I am coming to you,”(Jn 14:28) and ”You will be given by God another Paraclete”(Jn 14:16) who has from me all that he has; and all that the Father has he has given to me. Indeed the whole mystery is this: the Father, unacting act, the Son, acting act in respect to creating, but the Holy Spirit, acting act in respect to recreating. But these things have also been said in other books.
(Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 1; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 104-105)
○ Latin: Et quae loquitur [sanctus spiritus]?”Quaecumque dixero,”(Jn 14:26) dixit Christus.”Dixero”de futuro est. De quo futuro? Non eo quod nonc, sed eo quod est post ascendere ad patrem. Et si istud, paraclitus veniens a deo in nomine Christi illa docet, quaedicit Iesus. Ipse ergo Iesus, an ipse alter Iesus, an in ipso altero paraclito, hoc est spiritu sancto, inest Iesus, sicut in ipso deus? Ista haec, serie tribus existentibus, et unum sunt tria, et ὁμοούσιον tria, quippe dicente Christ:”eo et venio ad vos” (Jn 14:28) et:”a deo alius dabitur vobis paraclitus,”(Jn 14:16) qui quaecumque habet, a me habet; et quaecumque habet pater, tradidit mihi omnia. Etenim omne mysterium hoc est: pater inoperans operatio, filius operans operatio in id quod est regenerare, sanctus autem spiritus operans operatio in id quod est regenerare. Sed ista quidem et in aliis dicta.
(Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 1; Migne Latina, PL 8.1047)
● [Against Arius, Book 3.4] ...these three [Father, Son, Holy Spirit] are one in substance, three in subsistence. For since they have their own power and signification and they also are as they are named, necessarily they are both three and nevertheless one, since the three constitute together each unity, that each one is singly. This is expressed by the Greeks in this way:”here are three hypostases from one substance". (Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 3.4; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 227-228)
○ Latin: substantia unum, subsistentia tria sunt ista : cum enim vim ac significantiam suam habeant, aique ut dicuntur et sunt; necessario et sunt tria, et tamen unum, cum omne quod singulum est unum, tria sint. Idque a Graecis ita dicitur: ἐκ μιᾶς οὐσίας τρεῖς εἶναι τὰς ὑποστάσεις.
(Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 3; Migne Latina, PL 8.1101-1102)
We might have some good commentary additions to Fiano and other references.
Similarly Augustine and the others here from Grantley should be checked.
p. 23
RGA - p. 23
of the post-Nicene Fathers, Marius Victorinus († after 362) in Adversus Arium IA.8, 9, 13, 29; III.17; IV.10; in De generatione divini verbi 1; and in Commentarium in Ephes. II.5.2;
RGA - p. 25
Thus we find Marius Victorinus, Augustine and Isidore of Seville citing the phrase in the form tria unum.28
28 (repeat)
Marius Victorinus, Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum […].”
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154:
“Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
Adversus Arium III.18, CSEL 83:223:
“Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.”
See also Marius Victorinus,
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi;
Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1);
Augustine,
De beata vita 4, CCSL 29:84;
De civitate Dei V.11, CCSL 47:141;
De Trinitate IV.21, CCSL 50:202;
De natura et origine animæ II.3.5, CSEL 60:339;
Isidore of Seville, De differentiis rerum 11, PL 83:71-72;
Bernard of Clairvaux, Sermo 3.8, in Bernard, 1957-1977, 4:217;
Florus Lugdunensis, Dicta Gregorii Nazianzeni, excerptum 36.II, ad Ep. ad Hebræos pertinens, CCCM 193B:75.
(Gaius) Marius Victorinus (Afer) .. note the various three are one quotes, and the hymn contra Arians
Gaius Marius Victorinus - (fl 4th century)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaius_Marius_Victorinus
====================================
Amongst the earliest Latin Fathers to cite Jn 10:30 to demonstrate the unity of Father and Son
Adversus Arium IA.8
IA. 9
IA 13 - maybe see below
IA. 29
III. 17
IV.10;
De generatione divini verbi 1;
Commentarium in Ephes. II.5.2
==========================
Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154: “Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
Adversus Arium III. 18, CSEL 83:223: “Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.” See also Marius Victorinus,
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi] Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1)
p. 23
p. 25
Grantley may be giving three good spots in one paragraph.
Five total.
Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum […].”
https://books.google.com/books?id=KTIAWFyMyfsC&pg=PA497
http://www.mlat.uzh.ch/download_pl/...file=008_Marius-Victorinus_Adversus-Arium.xml - change the xml ?
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154:
“Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA154
https://books.google.com/books?id=mNza_1QUFKoC&pg=PA474
Adversus Arium III.18, CSEL 83:223:
“Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.”
https://books.google.com/books?id=F8Hmq2N-I-8C&pg=PA70
https://books.google.com/books?id=uDIjAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA223
The one here might be TWOGIG on the Philippians Commentary
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi;
Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1)
Adversus Arium - III 18 S. 133, 31 f -Matthias Baltes
====================================
TWOGIG
HITS:
[Commentary on Philippians] Remember that God is one, his Son is one and his Holy Spirit is one, and all three are one. If so, then we too ought to be one in our thoughts, so as to”be of the same mind”with the one God. Then it follows that we are to”have the same love.”To be of the same mind pertains to knowledge, while to have the same love pertains to discipline, to the conduct of life.
(Marius Victorinus; Epistles to the Philippians 2.5)
o Latin: Etenim si unus Deus, si unus eius filius, si unus Spiritus sanctus est, si omnia ista tria unum, ita debemus et nos unum habere quod sentimus, ut idem sentiamus omnes. Deinde sequitur ut eamdem dilectionem exerceamus. Hoc iam ad moralem disciplinam, id est ad vitam pertinet; illud ad scientiam.
(Marii Victorini Afri, In Epistolam Pauli ad Philippenses Liber 2, verse 5; Migne Latina, PL 8.1205)
[Against Arius, Book 1.12] And what does he [the Holy Spirit] say?”Whatever I shall have said,”(Jn 14:26) said Christ.”I shall have said”is in the future. What future? Not the immediate future, but the one that comes after his ascent to the Father. And if this is so, the Paraclete coming from God in the name of Christ teaches what Jesus says. Is it therefore Jesus himself, or another Jesus, or is Jesus present in this other Paraclete, that is, the Holy Spirit, as God is present in him? Although existing as three in a series, these three are also one (et unum sunt tria) and the three are homoousion (consubstantial). For Christ certainly says: ”I go away and I am coming to you,”(Jn 14:28) and ”You will be given by God another Paraclete”(Jn 14:16) who has from me all that he has; and all that the Father has he has given to me. Indeed the whole mystery is this: the Father, unacting act, the Son, acting act in respect to creating, but the Holy Spirit, acting act in respect to recreating. But these things have also been said in other books.
(Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 1; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 104-105)
○ Latin: Et quae loquitur [sanctus spiritus]?”Quaecumque dixero,”(Jn 14:26) dixit Christus.”Dixero”de futuro est. De quo futuro? Non eo quod nonc, sed eo quod est post ascendere ad patrem. Et si istud, paraclitus veniens a deo in nomine Christi illa docet, quaedicit Iesus. Ipse ergo Iesus, an ipse alter Iesus, an in ipso altero paraclito, hoc est spiritu sancto, inest Iesus, sicut in ipso deus? Ista haec, serie tribus existentibus, et unum sunt tria, et ὁμοούσιον tria, quippe dicente Christ:”eo et venio ad vos” (Jn 14:28) et:”a deo alius dabitur vobis paraclitus,”(Jn 14:16) qui quaecumque habet, a me habet; et quaecumque habet pater, tradidit mihi omnia. Etenim omne mysterium hoc est: pater inoperans operatio, filius operans operatio in id quod est regenerare, sanctus autem spiritus operans operatio in id quod est regenerare. Sed ista quidem et in aliis dicta.
(Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 1; Migne Latina, PL 8.1047)
● [Against Arius, Book 3.4] ...these three [Father, Son, Holy Spirit] are one in substance, three in subsistence. For since they have their own power and signification and they also are as they are named, necessarily they are both three and nevertheless one, since the three constitute together each unity, that each one is singly. This is expressed by the Greeks in this way:”here are three hypostases from one substance". (Victorinus, Against Arius, Book 3.4; Translated by Mary T. Clark, Theological Treatises on the Trinity, 1981, p. 227-228)
○ Latin: substantia unum, subsistentia tria sunt ista : cum enim vim ac significantiam suam habeant, aique ut dicuntur et sunt; necessario et sunt tria, et tamen unum, cum omne quod singulum est unum, tria sint. Idque a Graecis ita dicitur: ἐκ μιᾶς οὐσίας τρεῖς εἶναι τὰς ὑποστάσεις.
(Victorinus, Adversus Arium, Liber 3; Migne Latina, PL 8.1101-1102)
We might have some good commentary additions to Fiano and other references.
Similarly Augustine and the others here from Grantley should be checked.
p. 23
RGA - p. 23
of the post-Nicene Fathers, Marius Victorinus († after 362) in Adversus Arium IA.8, 9, 13, 29; III.17; IV.10; in De generatione divini verbi 1; and in Commentarium in Ephes. II.5.2;
RGA - p. 25
Thus we find Marius Victorinus, Augustine and Isidore of Seville citing the phrase in the form tria unum.28
28 (repeat)
Marius Victorinus, Adversus Arium IA.13, CSEL 83:72:
“Duo ergo et isti, ex alio alius, ex Filio Spiritus sanctus, secuti ex deo Filius, et conrationaliter et Spiritus sanctus ex Patre. Quod omnia tria unum […].”
Adversus Arium IB.56, CSEL 83:154:
“Quoniam autem unum duo, omnia simul exsistunt in counitione, simul exsistente vita in patre, in qua est et sanctus spiritus, secundum exsistentiam, quoniam tria unum erant et semper sunt.”
Adversus Arium III.18, CSEL 83:223:
“Quod cum ita sit, si deus et Christus unum, cum Christus et spiritus unum, iure tria unum, vi et substantia.”
See also Marius Victorinus,
Adversus Arium IV.25-26;
De generatione divini Verbi;
Commentarii in Epistulas Pauli (ad Phil 2:1);
Augustine,
De beata vita 4, CCSL 29:84;
De civitate Dei V.11, CCSL 47:141;
De Trinitate IV.21, CCSL 50:202;
De natura et origine animæ II.3.5, CSEL 60:339;
Isidore of Seville, De differentiis rerum 11, PL 83:71-72;
Bernard of Clairvaux, Sermo 3.8, in Bernard, 1957-1977, 4:217;
Florus Lugdunensis, Dicta Gregorii Nazianzeni, excerptum 36.II, ad Ep. ad Hebræos pertinens, CCCM 193B:75.
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