Steven Avery
Administrator
==========sister thread
Hort placing Vaticanus (and Sinaiticus) as written in Rome - Acts chapter divisions - (kephalaia)
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.287
While I was fairly critical of Bill Cooper's ebook The Forging of Codex Sinaiticus (2016) in my review, I also praised the clarity of his writing and a number of points that he brought forth. Especially those where he appears to have done his own research. (Example: where he discusses the "india ink".)
Here is one section that is interesting, looking at how linguistics issues are combined with the place of production ideas of Westcott and Hort on Vaticanus. And the question arises as to whether they point to Rome, and even whether the Greek text had been written in Rome and subject to Latin influence (it is much easier for this to occur in later days, as James Donaldson pointed out in his analysis of Latin influence in Hermas and Barnabas in Sinaiticus.)
There is an important point made from Westcott and Hort about Vaticanus that definitely needs a closer look. This has to do with linguistic Latin influences in names and a comment that Westcott and Hort made about the origin of Vaticanus, and even Sinaiticus being in Rome. Closely related would be the Latinization discussions of Erasmus relating to Vaticanus and the James Donaldson analysis of Sinaiticus. The possible Old Latin and Vulgate influences are a factor, and also the chapter sections in Acts.
Now we go to chapter two and extract some points made by Cooper:
Bill Cooper:
Tischendorf must have been stunned at the privilege extended to him, but there was a very good reason why Codex Vaticanus had been kept out of the public eye for so many centuries, and it is this. Its first mention occurs in the Vatican Library Catalogue of 1475 (in which it is given the shelf number 1209), and then in the Catalogue of 1481 (in which it is described as "Biblia in tribus columnis ex memb" - Bible in three columns on vellum - as if it was a new acquisition), all of which is more than a thousand years after its alleged composition.
.... As we have seen, it didn't come to light until 1475 when it was 'discovered' lying on a shelf in the Vatican Library, and it pretends to be a codex of Alexandrian (Egyptian) origin. It is a large codex which had strangely eluded the eye of every Vatican librarian for more than a thousand years past, or so we are asked to believe. However, a more microscopic examination reveals that it was actually written out in Rome itself prior to its 'discovery', and we know this from the following facts. ... the personal names in the codex are spelt as they appear in the Vulgate, and not as in the Greek mss - e.g. Isak (for Isaac) and Istrael or even Isdrael (for Israel) - and in the Book of Acts especially the chapter divisions are those of the Vulgate, and not of the Greek.10 Hence, the following admission is made by the two infamous editors of the Revised Version of 1881, Westcott and Hort, that Vaticanus and even Codex Sinaiticus had been written out in Rome, and not in Alexandria:
"In B [Codex Vaticanus] the Alexandrian indications are to the best of our belief wholly wanting.... Taking all kinds of indications together, we are inclined to surmise that B [Vaticanus] and ℵ [Sinaiticus] were both written in the West, probably at Rome; that the ancestors of B [Vaticanus] were wholly Western (in the geographical, not the textual sense) up to a very early time indeed ; and that the ancestors of A [Sinaiticus] were in great part Alexandrian, again in the geographical, not the textual sense. We do not forget such facts as the protracted unwillingness of the Roman church to accept the Epistle to the Hebrews, commended though it was by the large use made of it in the Epistle of Clement to the Corinthians...."11
In other words, the aptly named Codex Vaticanus has Rome and the Vatican written all over it. It was composed in Rome by forgers brought up in the Vulgate tradition, and hence of Vulgate habits and usages, doubtless shortly before its 'discovery' in 1475. Hence the 15th-century hand in which it is written, this hand seemingly overwriting an earlier attempt at its forgery. It was clumsy, yes, but for now it would have to do.
... Codex Vaticanus was forged almost a hundred years before the Jesuits were founded, and their hand in the affair is not noticeable until Tischendorf's time. From that time, however, the Jesuits became heavily involved in 'obtaining' allegedly ancient papyri that supported the text of Vaticanus to some extent. The most important of them, P75, erstwhile known as Bodmer XIV-XV, is now housed in the Vatican Library.
10. This damning admission is made by, of all people, Westcott and Hort. See their: The New Testament in the Original Greek. 1882. New York. pp. 244-247.
11. Ibid.
Now, my purpose is not to evaluate his overall position on Vaticanus or the Bodmer papyri he references. That would take us far afield. There are individual points he makes that we can discuss from the above.
Skeat
As a curiosum we ought to mention a third contender as the place of composition of Vaticanus, namely Rome, this was put forwarded by Hort and by Wettstein but has found little favour. More recently Hahneman has repeated this extraordinary suggestion.24 Arguments based on alleged Latinisms in the manuscript are not persuasive. In any case it is the essential Greek character of Vaticanus which requires it to have been written in—and then used in, and preserved in—a Greek-speaking milieu. Among these distinctively Greek features are:
1. A Greek autograph by a monk named Clement was written on pp. 238 and 624, possibly as late as the fifteenth century.
24 G.M. Hahneman, The Muratorian Fragment and the Development of the Canon (Oxford: Clarendon, 1992) pp. 164-5.
https://books.google.com/books?id=0HKOJt33wLYC&pg=PA3
CONTACT HIM
Bill Cooper:
"and it pretends to be a codex of Alexandrian (Egyptian) origin."
It is unclear what this assertion is based on.
Bill Cooper:
"It is a large codex which had strangely eluded the eye of every Vatican librarian for more than a thousand years past, or so we are asked to believe."
This assumes that the conjectures story of Vaticanus has it in the Vaticanus library, rather than just .. places unknown. It also assumes that there were equivalent Vatican library catalogs in earlier years from which Vaticanus was omitted.
Bill Cooper:
"Its first mention occurs in the Vatican Library Catalogue of 1475 (in which it is given the shelf number 1209)"
The 1475 catalog has had varying perspectives as to whether it references Vaticanus. I had not seen before that it uses the number 1209, and I will plan to include the references I had seen separately. Epp made a point to emphasize that he felt 1481 was the right date.
==============================
Now we go to the two points that I find most interesting.
First from Westcott-Hort:
Bill Cooper:
"were both written in the West, probably at Rome"
This has long been a puzzling reference, which does deserve greater scrutiny.
Bill Cooper:
"the personal names in the codex are spelt as they appear in the Vulgate, and not as in the Greek mss - e.g. Isak (for Isaac) and Istrael or even Isdrael (for Israel)"
This important linguistics assertion from Bill Cooper is taken from the Westcott and Hort example:
The New Testament in the original Greek, the text revised (1881)
B.F. Westcott and F.J.A. Hort
https://books.google.com/books?id=gZ4HAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA265
Here is the Latin name part from Hort along with the Bill Cooper take:
And here is a notation how the Old Latin Fleury Palimpsest (an Old Latin ms with parts of 1 and 2 Peter, 1 John and Revelation) uses one of these unusual forms:
62
THE JOURNAL OF THEOLOGICAL STUDIES
PROLEGOMENA TO THE TESTIMONIA OF ST CYPRIAN. II.
(See J.T.S. vi [January 1905] 246-270.)
§ 6. The Old Latin forms for the names Ezekiel and Daniel
https://www.jstor.org/stable/23948955?seq=1#page_scan_tab_contents
And here you can see the unusual form (which apparently would never be transmitted through a purely Greek line) in the Wordsworth Vulgate
https://archive.org/details/nouumtestamentu00whitgoog/page/n124
Also see the footnote for verse #14 on this Vaticanus Greek Old Testament page:
https://archive.org/details/p3oldtestamentin02broouoft/page/462
==========
We welcome any input. Note how I point out above that Latinization in Vaticanus was an ongoing question in regard to Vaticanus (including Erasmus) and there is a separate PBF resource page on the topic.
Latin-->Greek will affect:
theories of origin
date of composition
conjectured value of the ms.
Bill Cooper:
"and in the Book of Acts especially the chapter divisions are those of the Vulgate, and not of the Greek."
This whole issue of the Book of Acts chapter divisions requires a reexamination. The Vaticanus divisions are considered to be a later hand, not the 4th century (c. 700 is their guess, from memory, which, ironically weakens any attempted Sinaiticus-Vaticanus antiquity connection involving those headings).
Now we know that Sinaiticus, with similar headings (although ending early on chapter 15 in the Sinaiticus hack job) as Vaticanus, is 1800s. Any other Greek mss should be discussed, and how different are the Vulgate chapter headings.
This issue is generally discussed separately, because it is given as an argument for authenticity ("how did Sinaiticus get such similar chapter headings as Vaticanus?") Yet it is very possible that the chapter headings in Sinaiticus were simply added in ad hoc in the Times of Tischendorf.
=========================================
Last edited: