Steven Avery
Administrator
Barbara Thiering claimed authentic.
Paul and Seneca in Dialogue (2017)
David Briones
https://www.academia.edu/3430166/Pa..._Philosophy_and_Religion_2_Leiden_Brill_2017_
The Correspondence between Saint Apostle Paul and Seneca (2010)
Sergei Rjabchikov -
https://www.academia.edu/39892159/The_Correspondence_between_Saint_Apostle_Paul_and_Seneca
Final Decade Before the End - Jewish and Christian History Just Before the Final Revolt (2020)
Edward E. Stevens -
sent note in Academia.edu
https://www.academia.edu/30156418/Final_Decade_Stevens
To Edward Stevens
Hi Edward, greetings!
Nice paper, chronology etc.
I was wondering if anyone has gone through that Barbara Thiering material about the authenticity of the Paul and Seneca correspondence. I may have that yahoogroups stuff on my other puter.
And what is your thinking?
Thanks!
Steven Avery
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The Last Decade Before the End (2020)
Ed Stevens
https://archive.org/details/the-last-decade-issuu/page/181/mode/2up?q=Seneca
https://archive.org/details/the-last-decade-issuu/
This caught my eye while doing online research about the fire in Rome and the persecution of Christians afterwards. It is an article on the Internet defending the authenticity of the letter exchanges between Apostle Paul and Senecathe Younger (the advisor to Nero). The letter from Seneca dated AD 64 mentions the Fire in Rome. The writer of that article, Dr. Barbara Thiering, made some very interesting arguments for the authenticity of these letters between Paul and Seneca, which must be objectively evaluated, since almost all modern scholars consider these letters to be spurious. However, even if spurious, they might still contain tidbits of truth which were preserved by the third or fourth century writer who created them. Their supposed third century origin alone makes them valuable for study. It at least tells us what the third century Christians believed about these things. Here are a few excerpts from Thiering’s article:
The belief that Christianity came to Rome only through the lowest social classes, not working its way up until the time of Constantine, has been responsible for overlooking one of the most vital historical documents of all. The correspondence between Paul and the famous Stoic philosopher Seneca was preserved in the early church, accepted as genuine by the scholarly church fathers Jerome and Augustine, but categorically rejected as spurious by modern critics. Ernst Bickel believed that it originated in the 3rd century: “This correspondence presents a mythical expression of the historical process of fusion which came about in Italy...of Christianity on the one hand and, on the other, the ancient culture of the rhetoricians.”
...[The last letter of Seneca to Paul is dated] AD 64, in which Seneca begins: “Can you possibly think that I am not distressed and grieved that capital punishment is still visited upon you innocent persons? As also that all the people are convinced of your cruelty and criminal malignity, believing that all evil in the city is owing to you” … ]
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The Correspondence between Paul and Seneca
Barbara Thiering (June, 2005)
http://www.peshertechnique.infinitesoulutions.com/The_Other_Gospels/Paul_and_Seneca.html
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Paul and Seneca in Dialogue (2017)
David Briones
https://www.academia.edu/3430166/Pa..._Philosophy_and_Religion_2_Leiden_Brill_2017_
The Correspondence between Saint Apostle Paul and Seneca (2010)
Sergei Rjabchikov -
https://www.academia.edu/39892159/The_Correspondence_between_Saint_Apostle_Paul_and_Seneca
Final Decade Before the End - Jewish and Christian History Just Before the Final Revolt (2020)
Edward E. Stevens -
sent note in Academia.edu
https://www.academia.edu/30156418/Final_Decade_Stevens
To Edward Stevens
Hi Edward, greetings!
Nice paper, chronology etc.
I was wondering if anyone has gone through that Barbara Thiering material about the authenticity of the Paul and Seneca correspondence. I may have that yahoogroups stuff on my other puter.
And what is your thinking?
Thanks!
Steven Avery
=============
The Last Decade Before the End (2020)
Ed Stevens
https://archive.org/details/the-last-decade-issuu/page/181/mode/2up?q=Seneca
https://archive.org/details/the-last-decade-issuu/
This caught my eye while doing online research about the fire in Rome and the persecution of Christians afterwards. It is an article on the Internet defending the authenticity of the letter exchanges between Apostle Paul and Senecathe Younger (the advisor to Nero). The letter from Seneca dated AD 64 mentions the Fire in Rome. The writer of that article, Dr. Barbara Thiering, made some very interesting arguments for the authenticity of these letters between Paul and Seneca, which must be objectively evaluated, since almost all modern scholars consider these letters to be spurious. However, even if spurious, they might still contain tidbits of truth which were preserved by the third or fourth century writer who created them. Their supposed third century origin alone makes them valuable for study. It at least tells us what the third century Christians believed about these things. Here are a few excerpts from Thiering’s article:
The belief that Christianity came to Rome only through the lowest social classes, not working its way up until the time of Constantine, has been responsible for overlooking one of the most vital historical documents of all. The correspondence between Paul and the famous Stoic philosopher Seneca was preserved in the early church, accepted as genuine by the scholarly church fathers Jerome and Augustine, but categorically rejected as spurious by modern critics. Ernst Bickel believed that it originated in the 3rd century: “This correspondence presents a mythical expression of the historical process of fusion which came about in Italy...of Christianity on the one hand and, on the other, the ancient culture of the rhetoricians.”
...[The last letter of Seneca to Paul is dated] AD 64, in which Seneca begins: “Can you possibly think that I am not distressed and grieved that capital punishment is still visited upon you innocent persons? As also that all the people are convinced of your cruelty and criminal malignity, believing that all evil in the city is owing to you” … ]
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The Correspondence between Paul and Seneca
Barbara Thiering (June, 2005)
http://www.peshertechnique.infinitesoulutions.com/The_Other_Gospels/Paul_and_Seneca.html
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