the claim that the heavenly witnesses inclusion does not affect the earthly witnesses grammar

Steven Avery

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This was probably best refuted by Georgios Babiniotis.

An early example of the claim was in the Frederick Nolan and John Oxlee back and forth.
 
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Good question.

I'm pretty good with Greek but I can't make heads or tails of this explanation. Whether or not the disputed part is genuine, the neuter nouns are equated to masculine substantives. The addition of the disputed text does not "fix" the gender imbalance.

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Above I gave Georgios Babiniotis and Eugenius Bulgaris affirming that the full text, with heavenly and earthly witnesses, has no Greek grammatical difficulty. Babionitis emphasized the parallelism.

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Georgios Babiniotis
“Ευγένιος Βούλγαρης is right to consider verse 5.7 obligatory for the existence of verse 5.8
…. The use of masculine gender and not neuter on 5.8.

«καὶ τρεῖς εἰσιν οἱ μαρτυροῦντες ἐν τῇ γῇ,
τὸ Πνεῦμα καὶ τὸ ὕδωρ καὶ τὸ αἷμα
καὶ οἱ τρεῖς εἰς τὸ ἕν εἰσιν»

is linguistically justified on the pattern of “syntactic parallelism”, i.e. on the ground that it makes a pattern completely the same (“parallel”) in structure with that of 5.7.
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Frederick Nolan referred to this as figure attraction.
The idea In summary is that the two closely connected parallel sentences are functioning as one grammatical unit.
 
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Frederick Nolan (1784-1864)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frederick_Nolan_(theologian)

and

John Oxlee (1779-1854)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Oxlee

had a back and forth on this specific issue.

Christian Remembrancer (1822)
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_EDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA69
Nolan
https://books.google.com/books?id=i_EDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA460
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https://books.google.com/books?id=i_EDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA461
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Oxlee
http://books.google.com/books?id=i_EDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA138
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The Bishop is Thomas Burgess.
 
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Steven Avery

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Figure Attraction from Nolan and Slade

British Critic (1814)
https://books.google.com/books?id=7mUJAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA421
Frederick Nolan on Richard Laurence
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Inquiry (1815)
https://archive.org/details/a601052600nolauoft/page/n289
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/classics/inquiry4.html
http://www.americanpresbyterianchurch.org/?page_id=2219
http://books.google.com/books?id=FF4UAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA260
and
https://archive.org/details/a601052600nolauoft/page/n595
http://www.mountainretreatorg.net/classics/inquiry6.html
http://books.google.com/books?id=FF4UAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA565

This might be the same
http://web.archive.org/web/20110624...resbyterianchurch.org/the_johannine_comma.htm

James Slade
https://books.google.com/books?id=pMYKB4YoBtsC&pg=PA441
https://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?id=mdp.39015027545311;view=1up;seq=451
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William Craig Brownlee *** Christian Advocate (1825) p. 70-71
http://books.google.com/books?id=_tk2AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA70
1827 p. 338-339
http://books.google.com/books?id=BLgQAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA338

Horne
http://books.google.com/books?id=yjMHAAAAQAAJ&pg=RA2-PA243
Horne 1841
http://books.google.com/books?id=fcemqilY3F0C&pg=PA374

Richard Porson hokey section mentioned by Nolan above
https://books.google.com/books?id=SUg7AAAAcAAJ&pg=PA51

Burgess
http://books.google.com/books?id=vEMFAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA40
https://archive.org/details/monthlyreposito22unkngoog/page/n52

Middleton
http://books.google.com/books?id=LXrQAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA330
http://books.google.com/books?id=WT1ZAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA330

John Ellison Bates
http://books.google.com/books?id=njQ-XSOh6mcC&pg=RA3-PA592

Samuel Minton (quotes Slade)
http://books.google.com/books?id=kfcDAAAAQAAJ&pg=PA105

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Demosthenis Midias
https://books.google.com/books?id=pnBKAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA7

Port Royal Grammar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port-Royal_Grammar

Thomas Nugent (worked on Port Royal grammar
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Nugent_(travel_writer)

Classical Journal
http://books.google.com/books?id=wV08QYZkn64C&pg=PA417

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PBF
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...witnesses-affects-the-grammar.1020/#post-2274
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...the-earthly-witnesses-grammar.2471/#post-9963
 
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Steven Avery

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Textus Receptus Academy, with the contributions of Nick Sayers and friends, has been a top help on these questions.
Here are the threads from TRA on the grammar.

Barry Hofstetter Matthew 23:23 1 John 2:16 - grammar false analogy Eugenius Bulgaris ADD Gurry McDonald Erasmus Luther 1 Timothy 3:16
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/611264523052747/
Bill Brown 16 non- analogy verses
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467...k/611264523052747/?comment_id=873710266808170
pneuma Spirit Nasell i and Gons - Euthymius Bill Brown
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467...k/611264523052747/?comment_id=874034956775701

Grantley McDonald BLUNDER on Nolan and spiritus grammar - (plus Hofsettter blunder and Peter Gurry three in all)
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/613583172820882/
Gregory Nazianzen not in Ghost of Arius -
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467...k/624134858432380/?comment_id=631218047724061

Nick Sayers - Eugenius Bulgaris
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/629606481218551/
contras Snapp Hofstetter Jimcontra Bill Brown
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467...k/629606481218551/?comment_id=630659944446538

MANY good posts
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/634139104098622/

Eugenius Bulgaris Richard Porson - Antoniades
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/635557913956741/

Georgios Babiniotis
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/720761625436369/
Georgios Babiniotis
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/720785152100683/

Pappas Twells Dionysius
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/836825217163342/

Charles Forster - Robert Lowth - Hebraic parallelism
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/871897403656123/

Grantley Robert McDonald, Professor George Babiniotis concerning Voulgaris Bulgaris - Nick Sayers - Rick Henwood
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/permalink/889932105185986/

Georgios Babiniotis
https://www.facebook.com/groups/467217787457422/?multi_permalinks=903325430513320

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