Scrivener's negative conclusion on the Westcott-Hort text

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In reading Scrivener I see he does hold to both the longer ending of Mark and the pericope adulterae, however, holds the second with reservation.
“To begin with variations of the gravest kind. In two, though happily in only two instances, the genuineness of whole passages of considerable extent, which are read in our printed copies of the New Testament, has been brought into question. These are the weighty and characteristic paragraphs Mark xvi. 9-20 and John vii. 53-viii. We shall hereafter defend these passages, the first without the slightest misgiving, the second with certain reservations, as entitled to be regarded authentic portions of the Gospels in which they stand.”
A Plain Introduction to the Criticism of the New Testament for the Use of Biblical Students by
Frederick Henry Ambrose Scrivener

Alexander Thomson
His *plain* introduction showed more *plain* sense than many of those who came after him!

Alexander Thomson
Scrivener issued a damning final verdict on Westcott and Hort's text He had issued several editions of the Greek New Testament, using Stephanus 1550 as his base and comparing to it the variances in Beza, Elzevir, Lachmann, Tischendorf, and Tregelles. In October 1886, he issued his final edition, adding the variances in Westcott-Hort and the (English) Revisers. He thanked Westcott and Hort for their kind agreement to his using their text, and he acknowledged their scholarly virtues. Nevertheless, he delivered a very heavy judgment against their text, quoting Plato's Apology 18b and Thucydides's War 1.22.4. From a Classicist to Classicists, and out to a wider world, his decided - and scathing - judgment was that Westcott and Hort were guilty of the gravely mistaken charge brought against Socrates, so that they made "the worse/weaker argument [appear to be (the)]better/stronger" [Socrates]. He then added that "they [had] sent into the light [of day], not a possession for ever/all time', but 'a brilliant error'/ something brilliant but erroneous" [Thucydides]. In short, Scrivener was of the very decided view that Westcott and Hort had greatly erred!


Alexander Thomson
Scrivener's final words on the wrong direction of the critical attempts in his time:
"POSTSCRIPT. September 29, 1890.
My lamented friend and fellow student, the late Very Reverend J. W. Burgon, Dean of Chichester, very earnestly requested me, that if I lived to complete the present work, I would publickly testify that my latest labours had in no wise modified my previous critical convictions, namely, that the true text of the New Testament can best and most safely be gathered from a comprehensive acquaintance with every source of information yet open to us, whether they be Manuscripts of the original text, Versions, or Fathers; rather than from a partial representation of three or four authorities which, though in date the more ancient and akin in character, cannot be made even tolerably to agree together.
I saw on my own part no need of such avowal, yet (neget quis carmina Gallo ?) I could not deny Dean Burgon's request."

John William Burgon, Late Dean of Chichester: A Biography with ..., Volume 2
By Edward Meyrick Goulburn
https://books.google.com/books?id=sEVtAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA53

Scrivener
https://books.google.com/books?id=WDX4TpxFLa8C&pg=PR103
 
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Ending of Mark
https://archive.org/details/cu31924092355118/page/n354/mode/1up?q=Thucydides

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Alexander Thomson11/07/2019 4:28 pm
A couple of points, if I may, for information/clarification/comment.

1. Do we agree that Scrivener and Burgon and Miller all seem to have been what we would characterise as Majority Text critics?

2. Scrivener issued several editions of the Greek New Testament, using Stephanus 1550 as his base and comparing to it the variances in Beza, Elzevir, Lachmann, Tischendorf, and Tregelles. In October 1886, he issued (what appears to have been ) his final edition, adding the variances in Westcott-Hort and the (English) Revisers. He thanked Westcott and Hort for their kind agreement to his using their text, and he acknowledged their scholarly virtues. nevertheless, he delivered a very heavy judgment against their text, quoting Plato's Apology 18b and Thucydides's War 1.22.4. From a Classicist to Classicists, and out to a wider world, his decided judgment was that Westcott and Hort were guilty of the gravely mistaken charge brought against Socrates, so that they made "the worse/weaker argument [appear to be (the)]better/stronger". He then added that "they [had] sent into the light [of day], not a possession for ever/all time', but 'a brilliant error'/ something brilliant but erroneous" - the phrase about the possession being a reference to Thucydides War 1.22.4. in short, scrivener was of the very decided view that Westcott and Hort had greatly erred, and that their text would not stand the test of time.Does anyone know of any subsequent stuff from scrivener on the matter, please?

 

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Steven Avery The primary source for Scrivener's comments is his "H KAINH DIAQHKH, NOVUM TESTAMENTUM< TEXTUS STEPHANICI etc., curavit F H A SCRIVENER 1887".
See at https://archive.org/details/hkaindiathknovu02estigoog/page/n12/mode/2up page ix.


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Herewith Socrates / Plato {I have corrected the reference above!] :
[23d] they say that Socrates is someone who is most polluted, he corrupts young men—and then if somebody asks them, Why, what evil does he practice or teach? they do not know, and cannot tell; but in order that they may not appear to be at a loss, they repeat the ready-made charges which are used against all philosophers about teaching things up in the clouds and under the earth, and having no gods, and making *the worse [argument] ~appear~ the better ~cause~ **; for they do not like to confess that their pretense of knowledge has been detected—which is the truth:
** καὶ ‘τὸν ἥττω λόγον κρείττω


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Herewith Thucydides [reference was correct!] :
The absence of romance in my history will, I fear, detract somewhat from its interest; but if it be judged useful by those inquirers who desire an exact knowledge of the past as an aid to the interpretation of the future, which in the course of human things must resemble if it does not reflect it, I shall be content. In fine, I have written my work, not as an essay which is to win the applause of the moment, but as **a possession for all time**.
** κτῆμά τε ἐς αἰεὶ μᾶλλον ἢ ἀγώνισμα ἐς τὸ παραχρῆμα ἀκούειν ξύγκειτα
 
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