Romans 9:5 trichotomy interpretation - identity, high Christology, Unitarian - errors on both sides!

[Steven Avery]

Paul in his epistle to the Hebrews writes, “But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom . . . And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands” (Hebrews 1:8, 10). So again the Father is conversing with the Son.

Only a doctrinal charlatan would quote verse 8 and 10 and not quote verse 9, which says that God the Father is the God of Jesus.

Hebrews 1:9 (AV)
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

 

[Brianrw]

Only a doctrinal charlatan would quote verse 8 and 10 and not quote verse 9, which says that God the Father is the God of Jesus.

Hebrews 1:9 (AV)
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows.

In what way? My point was not whether or not the Son was subject to the Father, or whether He is God, but answering that Jesus is not the Father. I quoted this passage to show that they are two persons of the eternal and consubstantial Trinity, not one. Thus I said, in what you quote from me above, "So again the Father is conversing with the Son." Hebrews 1:9 strengthens that point, it just wasn't necessary for it.

Are you implying then, as the Arians, that the Son is a little God, and the Father is great?

 

[Steven Avery]

In what way? My point was not whether or not the Son was subject to the Father, or whether He is God, but answering that Jesus is not the Father. I quoted this passage to show that they are two persons of the eternal and consubstantial Trinity, not one. Thus I said, in what you quote from me above, "So again the Father is conversing with the Son." Hebrews 1:9 strengthens that point, it just wasn't necessary for it.

Are you implying then, as the Arians, that the Son is a little God, and the Father is great?

Which persons of the three co-equals have Gods of another person?

Is God the Holy Spirit the God of the Father?

Hebrews 1:9
Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity;
therefore God, even thy God,
hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows

 

[Brianrw]

From the Father proceed the Son and Spirit. According to the Divine economy, both Son and Spirit are subject to the Father but are consubstantial co-equal in nature.

Irenaeus (ca. 125-202), who received his doctrine from Polycarp, John's disciple and other disciples of the Apostles and wrote down their teachings in a work called Demonstration of the Apostolic Preaching. In it he writes,

So then the Father is Lord and the Son is Lord, and the Father is God and the Son is God; for that which is begotten of God is God. And so in the substance and power of His being there is shown forth one God; but there is also according to the economy of our redemption both Son and Father. Because to created things the Father of all is invisible and unapproachable, therefore those who are to draw near to God must have their access to the Father through the Son. And yet more plainly and evidently does David speak concerning the Father and the Son as follows: Thy throne, O God is for ever and ever: thou hast loved righteousness and hated unrighteousness: therefore God hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. For the Son, as being God, receives from the Father, that is, from God, the throne of the everlasting kingdom, and the oil of anointing above His fellows. The oil of anointing is the Spirit, wherewith He has been anointed; and His fellows are prophets and righteous men and apostles, and all who receive the fellowship of His kingdom, that is to say, His disciples. (47)​

 

[Steven Avery]

The KJV translation could actually support Christ not being called God if you take it to mean Christ is God blessed. I lean to the second translation, however, as did most of the early church fathers, like Tertullian, Hippolytus, Athanasius, and Jerome, but that doesn't mean Christ was being touted as equivalent to the Father.

Does Romans 9:5 refers to Jesus as God?

According to an interlinear translation, Romans 9:5 reads as follows: Christ according to the flesh being over all Theos blessed Romans 9:5 Interlinear Some less literal translations explain this...

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[Oseas]

The KJV translation could actually support Christ not being called God if you take it to mean Christ is God blessed.

Well, it is not a surprise to surreptitiously suggest the above interpretation similarly the interpretation of the Word of GOD that occurred Genesis 3:1. What the Holy Spirit says is that the Man called JESUS, son of GOD, is the blessed GOD. For example, Paul wrote to the Church of Ephesus, saying: Eph.1:3 - Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
"Whom GOD the Father hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also GOD the Father made the worlds(John 5:17. Take a look.); Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE(i.e.the image according is written in the Holy Scriptures-the Word is GOD) of the Person of GOD the Father, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high-Hebrews 1:2-3. Take a look. The great mystery is that, it is the Word who is GOD, the invisible GOD, GOD the Father, whose IMAGE men only knew about 2000 years ago, exactly when He was made flesh, He is the Greater Light. By the way, it still was the fourth Day, yes, the fourth Day, or 4000 years after Adam, Genesis 1:16.

I lean to the second translation, however, as did most of the early church fathers, like Tertullian, Hippolytus, Athanasius, and Jerome, but that doesn't mean Christ was being touted as equivalent to the Father.

But what is the testimony of JESUS about He Himself. John 5:19 - Then answered JESUS and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever the Father doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise -equally.

JESUS said: He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent Him. The Father Judgeth no man, but hath committed all Judgment unto the Son, -yes, according 2Corinthians 5:10) That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.John 5:22-23

In His prayer , JESUS said: John 17:4-5 -
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do (John 5:17 is a good reference).

5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was (John 1:18 shows where JESUS was before the world was).

The great question: Matthew 11:27 - ... no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.

1John 5:19-20
19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

20 And we know that the Son of God is come, and hath given us an understanding, that we may know him that is true, and we are in him that is true, even in his Son Jesus Christ. This is the true God, and eternal life.