Romans 10:9-10 - if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,

Steven Avery

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Romans 10:6-13 (AV)
But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above : ) Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

10:9
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus,
and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead,
thou shalt be saved.

10:10 (chiastic)
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness;
and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

NOTE: FFF
Westcott Hort blunder fixed in NA27 The King James Bible Believer, the Scriptural truth of Bibliolatry - Page 3 -
Burgon?
 
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Buck Daniel
Strangely, it appears to a verse ahead in each instance?--Josh Jones

Not so strange for Penn, who found that by renumbering the verses and chapters in his translation, he could provide cover for the Vaticanus tendency (subsequently found to be largely shared by Sinaiticus) to skip entire verses and even paragraphs of the common text.
Buck Daniel
BTW, in double-translating οτι with BOTH "That" AND quotation marks, Penn shows his incompetence as a translator. Although I know better than to put all the blame on him: at least some of it should be shared with the publisher (publishers often introduce such nonsense into the editing and typesetting process).


Buck Daniel
Note that we see here, represented in the four "earliest and best" manuscripts, four different versions of how the verse should read. Three of them expand the text in various ways; the shortest reading, found in Sinaiticus (which often retains the Byz reading when Vaticanus diverges from it), turns out to be the Byz reading. Yes, preferring the shorter reading here sends one straight into the arms of that "vile" Textus Receptus, based on such "inferior" late manuscripts. Vaticanus, on the other hand, has the longest reading, adding τὸ ῥῆμα and ὅτι in an attempt to do what you were probably told only medieval Byzantine scribes ever did, smoothing out the text by making the implicit explicit. Not to be outdone in their emulation of Byzantine scribal excesses, the other two of the "oldest and best" mss couldn't resist that quintessential Byzantine urge to stack yet another NS on top of κν and ιν.

Josh Jones
Buck Daniel thank you for your input. Would you agree, the ‘extra stacking’ of the title ‘anointed one’ (as you put it) was not ‘added’ to reinforce the the phrase being understood to read‘ if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus…’ ie from my perspective, the presence of the title ‘anointed one’ renders null and void, the modern translation ‘if you confess Jesus as / is lord’. However, I don’t believe this would have been an issue at the time these MSS were written. I see your dislike of the KJV literal translation ‘if you confess with your mouth the lord Jesus’, yet does it not reflect the most reasonable translation of the passage? Especially, where we see the word ‘the’ added on many occasions to the phase ‘lord’ or ‘lord Jesus’? Yet, this is the only occasion I am aware of where the word order of the Greek phrase ‘lord Jesus’ is twisted around and the word ‘is’ or ‘as’ is added?
With all being said, if you were unaware of the most common English translation of the passage, how would you translate romans 10:9 based on the MSS evidence and your knowledge of Greek?
Ps, I am not a KJV only man, just in case you are wondering.
 
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Steven Avery

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10:9 (Münster)
ἐν τῷ στόματί σου κύριον Ἰησοῦν] ‭א D G K P Ψ 33 88 104 181 330 436 451 614 629 630 1241 1739 1877 1881 1962 1984 1985 2127 2492 2495 Byz Lect (itar) itd itdem ite itf itg itx itz vg syrp syrh copbo goth arm Irenaeuslat Irenaeuslat Ambrosiaster Chrysostom Theodoret John-Damascus ς NR ND Riv Dio Nv

ἐν τῷ στόματί σου κύριον Ἰησοῦν Χριστόν] p46 A itt

ἐν τῷ στόματί σου ὅτι κύριος Ἰησοῦς] 81 syrpal Hilary (Cyril-Jerusalem add Χριστός) Augustine CEI

τὸ ῥῆμα ἐν τῷ στόματί σου ὅτι κύριος Ἰησοῦς] B copsa ) Clement (Peter-Alexandria (Cyril) WH (TILC) NM

1859 Vaughn below
έάν όμολογησγς εν τά στόματί σου κύριον Ίησοΰν, και πιστεύσιρ εν τγ καρΰία σου οτι

Greek, Westcott-Hort New Testament (1881)
ὅτι ἐὰν ὁμολογήσῃς τὸ ῥῆμα ἐν τῷ στόματί σου ὅτι ΚΥΡΙΟΣ ΙΗΣΟΥΣ, καὶ πιστεύσῃς ἐν τῇ καρδίᾳ σου ὅτι ὁ θεὸς αὐτὸν ἤγειρεν ἐκ νεκρῶν, σωθήσῃ· (ΠΡΟΣ ΡΩΜΑΙΟΥΣ 10:9)

Bruce Terry
https://web.archive.org/web/20040607040909/http://bible.ovc.edu/tc/lay15rom.htm#rm10_9

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