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Came out of Kevin McGrane discussion and started here:
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...-bible-text-only-begotten-son.4266/post-17658
Let's find the pointer heresy quotes in the ECW
Also Checking Burgon and others
Valentinians (according to Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria)
Irenaeus may allude to John 1:18 when he cites the Valentinian heresy:
Further, they teach that John, the disciple of the Lord, indicated the first Ogdoad, expressing
themselves in these words: John, the disciple of the Lord, wishing to set forth the origin of
all things, so as to explain how the Father produced the whole, lays down a certain
principle,—that, namely, which was first-begotten by God, which Being he has termed both
the only-begotten Son and God [kai. ui`o.n monogenh/ kai. qeo.n], in whom the Father, after a
seminal manner, brought forth all things. (emphasis added)46
46 Against Heresies 1.8.5 in Ante-Nicene Fathers, ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson
(Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1995), 1:328. Irenaeus goes on to explain how the Valentinians
interpret the Johannine prologue, but he does not cite John 1:18 directly. Hort, however, argues that
Irenaeus’s language here suggests the “literal use” of monogenh.j qeo.j from John 1:18 (Two
Dissertations, 31)
Clement of Alexandria also cites the Valentinians and directly references John 1:18:
The verse, “In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was
God” the Valentinians understand thus, for they say that the “beginning” is the “Only
Begotten” and that he is also called God, as also in the verses which immediately follow it
explains that he is God, for it says, “The Only-Begotten God [o` monogenh.j qeo.j] who is in the
bosom of the Father, he has declared him.” (emphasis added)4
Arius (according to Epiphanius and Theodoret of Cyrus),
Synesius (according to Epiphanius),
Theodotus (according to Clement of Alexandria)
Nick Claxton
https://www.academia.edu/42178848/T...and_Orthodoxy_of_Monogenes_Theos_in_John_1_18
CARM
https://forums.carm.org/threads/john-1-18.13252/post-1095443
Diatessaron, the Valentinians (according to Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria), Ptolemy, Heracleon, Origen, Arius (according to Epiphanius and Theodoret of Cyrus), the Apostolic Constitutions, Didymus, Pseudo-Ignatius, Synesius (according to Epiphanius), Cyril of Alexandria, Theodotus (according to Clement of Alexandria), Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, and Epiphanius.
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...-bible-text-only-begotten-son.4266/post-17658
Let's find the pointer heresy quotes in the ECW
Also Checking Burgon and others
Valentinians (according to Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria)
Irenaeus may allude to John 1:18 when he cites the Valentinian heresy:
Further, they teach that John, the disciple of the Lord, indicated the first Ogdoad, expressing
themselves in these words: John, the disciple of the Lord, wishing to set forth the origin of
all things, so as to explain how the Father produced the whole, lays down a certain
principle,—that, namely, which was first-begotten by God, which Being he has termed both
the only-begotten Son and God [kai. ui`o.n monogenh/ kai. qeo.n], in whom the Father, after a
seminal manner, brought forth all things. (emphasis added)46
46 Against Heresies 1.8.5 in Ante-Nicene Fathers, ed. Alexander Roberts and James Donaldson
(Peabody, MA: Hendrickson, 1995), 1:328. Irenaeus goes on to explain how the Valentinians
interpret the Johannine prologue, but he does not cite John 1:18 directly. Hort, however, argues that
Irenaeus’s language here suggests the “literal use” of monogenh.j qeo.j from John 1:18 (Two
Dissertations, 31)
Clement of Alexandria also cites the Valentinians and directly references John 1:18:
The verse, “In the beginning was the Logos and the Logos was with God and the Logos was
God” the Valentinians understand thus, for they say that the “beginning” is the “Only
Begotten” and that he is also called God, as also in the verses which immediately follow it
explains that he is God, for it says, “The Only-Begotten God [o` monogenh.j qeo.j] who is in the
bosom of the Father, he has declared him.” (emphasis added)4
Arius (according to Epiphanius and Theodoret of Cyrus),
Synesius (according to Epiphanius),
Theodotus (according to Clement of Alexandria)
Nick Claxton
https://www.academia.edu/42178848/T...and_Orthodoxy_of_Monogenes_Theos_in_John_1_18
CARM
https://forums.carm.org/threads/john-1-18.13252/post-1095443
Diatessaron, the Valentinians (according to Irenaeus and Clement of Alexandria), Ptolemy, Heracleon, Origen, Arius (according to Epiphanius and Theodoret of Cyrus), the Apostolic Constitutions, Didymus, Pseudo-Ignatius, Synesius (according to Epiphanius), Cyril of Alexandria, Theodotus (according to Clement of Alexandria), Clement of Alexandria, Eusebius, Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, and Epiphanius.
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