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PBF traffic cop for threads on Sinaiticus - Ca corrections - Andreas - Bousset Schmid Hernandez Malik Myshrall
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...bousset-schmid-hernandez-malik-myshrall.3560/
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Wilhelm Bousset, “Zur Textkritik der Apokalypse,” in Textkritische Studien zum Neuen Testament (TU 2.4: Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1894), 1-44 (esp. 42-44).
https://books.google.com/books?id=THzSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA1
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Die_Offenbarung_Johannis/Zur_Textkritik_der_Apokalypse
Note that Bousset does not explicitly align the corrected readings of Sinaiticus with Andreas, but rather with K, the archetype of the text of Revelation that is preserved in the text of Andreas’ commentary.
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Milne and Skeat
Scribes and Correctors
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5 Schmid, Studien, 2.127.
Josef Schmid, Studien zur Geschichte des griechischen Apokalypse-Textes, Teil
1: Der Apokalypse-Kommentar des Andreas von Kaisareia, Band 1: Text, Band
2: Einleitung, Teil 2: Die alten Stamme (Miinchener theologische Studien 4; Munich: Karl Zink, 1955-1956), 2.147.
See Schmid, Die alten Stamme, 14;
Schmid (2018 reprint in English)
Ancient Stems
will add url
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Hernandez, “Creation of a Fourth-Century Text Type,” 106-20; (2014)
The Creation of a Fourth-Century Witness to the Andreas Text Type: A Misreading in the Apocalypse's Textual History -
https://www.academia.edu/6073329/Th...calypses_Textual_History_Link_to_this_article
I think Researchgate just points to the Academia
https://www.researchgate.net/public...isreading_in_the_Apocalypse's_Textual_History
Juan Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset for the Apocalypses Textual History: The Identification
of the Andreas Text,” in Sigismund, Karrer, and Schmid, Studien zum Text der Apokalypse, 19-32;
https://www.academia.edu/15150380/_..._Bousset_for_the_Apocalypses_Textual_History_
https://books.google.com/books?id=MB9pCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA19
Hernandez, “Nestle-Aland 28 and the Revision of the Apocalypses Textual History,” in Studies on the Text of the New Testament and Early Christianity: Essays in Honour of Michael W. Holmes, ed. Daniel M. Gurtner, Juan Hernandez Jr., and Paul Foster, NTTSD 50 (Leiden: Brill, 2015), 71-81.
https://www.academia.edu/18896003/N...e_Revision_of_the_Apocalypses_Textual_History
https://books.google.com/books?id=eJMDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA74
Peter Malik on Hernandez (the three texts above)
J. Hernandez, Jr., “The Creation of a Fourth-Century Witness to the Andreas Text Type: A Misreading in the Apocalypse’s Textual History,” NTS (20x4), 109.
A thorough reappraisal of Bousset’s theories has been recently undertaken in
J. Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset for the Apocalypse’s Textual History: The Identification of the Andreas Text,” in Studien zum Text der Apokalypse, ed. M. Sigismund, M. Karrer, and U. Schmid (ANTF; Berlin and New York: De Gruyter, forthcoming).
See further Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset,” 22-23; Hernandez, “Creation,” 110 n. 19.
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Peter Malik
The Corrections of Codex Sinaiticus and the Textual Transmission of Revelation: Josef Schmid Revisited*
Malik, Peter “Corrections of Codex Sinaiticus and the Textual Transmission of Revelation: Josef Schmid Revisited,” NTS 61 (2015): 595-614.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/42338536.pdf
Peter Malik, “The Earliest Corrections in Codex Sinaiticus: Further Evidence from the Apocalypse,” TC 20 (2015): 1-12;
https://www.academia.edu/14982421/T...naiticus_Further_Evidence_from_the_Apocalypse
http://jbtc.org/v20/TC-2015-Malik.pdf
http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/v20/TC-2015-Malik.pdf
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12 Cf. A.C. Myshrall, “Codex Sinaiticus, its Correctors, and the Caesarean Text of the Gospels” (Ph.D. diss., University of Birmingham, 2005), 91: “The date suggested by Milne and Skeat as between the 5th and 7th centuries can thus be seen as reasonable, although I would tend to place C“ towards the first half of this period.”
http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=uk.bl.ethos.433713
Myshrall reasons are here on PBF:
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...lunder-in-reading-the-apparatus.843/post-1764
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TuT - Text und Textwerk - on Schmid - covers P47 but probably not Andreas
Text und Textwert der griechischen Handschriften des Neuen Testaments (2017)
VL Die Apokalypse
Teststellenkollation und Auswertungen In Verbindung
https://books.google.com/books?id=NXkqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA137
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Constantin von Tischendorf, Novum Testamentum Sinaiticum cum Epistula Barnabae et Fragmentis Pastoris, 2 vols. [Leipzig: Brockhaus, 1863];
Tischendorf, Novum Testamentum Graece, 3 vols. [Leipzig: Kohler, 1841 ], 3:346;
Malik on Tischendorf is quite different and does have later dates rewritten by Gregory et al)
42; C. Tischendorf, ed., Novum Testamentum Graece, vol. 1-2, (8th ed.; trans. J. C. Hinrichs; 1894; 8th ed.; Leipzig: Giesecke and Devrient, 1869-1872, vol. 3: Prolegomena (scripsit C.R. Gregory; Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs, 1894), 3.346.
1894 - Volume 1
http://www.archive.org/details/novumtestamentu01greggoog
1894 - Volume 3
https://books.google.com/books?id=4SJVAAAAMAAJ&hl=en
https://archive.org/details/novumtestamentu01abbogoog/page/n11/mode/1up
http://books.google.com/books?id=n3pAAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA96
http://www.archive.org/details/novumtestamentum33tisc
Search "De Novi Testamenti correctoribus statuit Tischendorfius "
And you get some Gregory explanations of Tischendorf
1884
https://books.google.com/books?id=6fi4wK1_Z4sC&pg=PA346
1894
https://books.google.com/books?id=4SJVAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA346
LOOKING FOR MY EARLIER ANALYSIS AS TO THE QUESTION OF HOW GREGORY GOT THIS ON HIS p. 346 FROM TISCHENDORF
how did Tischendorf date the correctors - including three crosses note
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...including-three-crosses-note.2853/#post-11824
the Tischendorf plug-in-the-date guesswork led to the Josef Schmid blunder in reading the apparatus
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...-schmid-blunder-in-reading-the-apparatus.843/
private - Peter Malik - historical retrospect Tischendorf on correctors - Revelation correctors palaeographic study
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/private-peter-malik.2951/
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PBF
Maurice Robinson
Constantinou, Eugenia Scarvelis
Andrew Criddle
Evangelical Textual Criticism
Ancient Texts
Colwell
Arethas and Oecumenius
Facebook - TRA
Nazaroo
Nicklas Tobias
Hoskier and his reference
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...bousset-schmid-hernandez-malik-myshrall.3560/
12. Chief among the misread data is perhaps Schmid mistaking the Apocalypse's postscriptorium corrections in Codex Sinaiticus for corrections contemporaneous with the books fourth-century transcription. ...
Schmid reinterprets Bousset's conclusions in light of H.J.M. Milne and T.C. Skeat's investigation of scribes and correctors in Sinaiticus, 4 identifying Bousset's (and Tischendorfs) seventh-century Nc corrections with scribal corrections made in the scriptorium, some three centuries earlier. ... But Bousset never reached such a conclusion. In fact, Juan Hernandez has recently shown6 that, unlike Schmid, Bousset never makes fourth-century claims with respect to these corrections, but simply follows Tischendorf, who dated the C-class corrections to the seventh century.7 (doubtful, just a general statement including various correctors, and may be more Gregory, needs context and tracking) Schmid's fourth-century dating, argues Hernandez, seems to stem from his misreading of Milne and Skeat - precisely the authority to which Schmid appeals in re-dating the corrections.8
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Wilhelm Bousset, “Zur Textkritik der Apokalypse,” in Textkritische Studien zum Neuen Testament (TU 2.4: Leipzig: Hinrichs, 1894), 1-44 (esp. 42-44).
https://books.google.com/books?id=THzSAAAAMAAJ&pg=RA4-PA1
https://de.wikisource.org/wiki/Die_Offenbarung_Johannis/Zur_Textkritik_der_Apokalypse
Note that Bousset does not explicitly align the corrected readings of Sinaiticus with Andreas, but rather with K, the archetype of the text of Revelation that is preserved in the text of Andreas’ commentary.
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Milne and Skeat
Scribes and Correctors
=========================================
5 Schmid, Studien, 2.127.
Josef Schmid, Studien zur Geschichte des griechischen Apokalypse-Textes, Teil
1: Der Apokalypse-Kommentar des Andreas von Kaisareia, Band 1: Text, Band
2: Einleitung, Teil 2: Die alten Stamme (Miinchener theologische Studien 4; Munich: Karl Zink, 1955-1956), 2.147.
See Schmid, Die alten Stamme, 14;
Schmid (2018 reprint in English)
Ancient Stems
will add url
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Hernandez, “Creation of a Fourth-Century Text Type,” 106-20; (2014)
The Creation of a Fourth-Century Witness to the Andreas Text Type: A Misreading in the Apocalypse's Textual History -
https://www.academia.edu/6073329/Th...calypses_Textual_History_Link_to_this_article
I think Researchgate just points to the Academia
https://www.researchgate.net/public...isreading_in_the_Apocalypse's_Textual_History
Juan Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset for the Apocalypses Textual History: The Identification
of the Andreas Text,” in Sigismund, Karrer, and Schmid, Studien zum Text der Apokalypse, 19-32;
https://www.academia.edu/15150380/_..._Bousset_for_the_Apocalypses_Textual_History_
https://books.google.com/books?id=MB9pCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA19
Hernandez, “Nestle-Aland 28 and the Revision of the Apocalypses Textual History,” in Studies on the Text of the New Testament and Early Christianity: Essays in Honour of Michael W. Holmes, ed. Daniel M. Gurtner, Juan Hernandez Jr., and Paul Foster, NTTSD 50 (Leiden: Brill, 2015), 71-81.
https://www.academia.edu/18896003/N...e_Revision_of_the_Apocalypses_Textual_History
https://books.google.com/books?id=eJMDCwAAQBAJ&pg=PA74
Peter Malik on Hernandez (the three texts above)
J. Hernandez, Jr., “The Creation of a Fourth-Century Witness to the Andreas Text Type: A Misreading in the Apocalypse’s Textual History,” NTS (20x4), 109.
A thorough reappraisal of Bousset’s theories has been recently undertaken in
J. Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset for the Apocalypse’s Textual History: The Identification of the Andreas Text,” in Studien zum Text der Apokalypse, ed. M. Sigismund, M. Karrer, and U. Schmid (ANTF; Berlin and New York: De Gruyter, forthcoming).
See further Hernandez Jr., “The Legacy of Wilhelm Bousset,” 22-23; Hernandez, “Creation,” 110 n. 19.
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Peter Malik
The Corrections of Codex Sinaiticus and the Textual Transmission of Revelation: Josef Schmid Revisited*
Malik, Peter “Corrections of Codex Sinaiticus and the Textual Transmission of Revelation: Josef Schmid Revisited,” NTS 61 (2015): 595-614.
https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/42338536.pdf
Peter Malik, “The Earliest Corrections in Codex Sinaiticus: Further Evidence from the Apocalypse,” TC 20 (2015): 1-12;
https://www.academia.edu/14982421/T...naiticus_Further_Evidence_from_the_Apocalypse
http://jbtc.org/v20/TC-2015-Malik.pdf
http://rosetta.reltech.org/TC/v20/TC-2015-Malik.pdf
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12 Cf. A.C. Myshrall, “Codex Sinaiticus, its Correctors, and the Caesarean Text of the Gospels” (Ph.D. diss., University of Birmingham, 2005), 91: “The date suggested by Milne and Skeat as between the 5th and 7th centuries can thus be seen as reasonable, although I would tend to place C“ towards the first half of this period.”
http://ethos.bl.uk/OrderDetails.do?uin=uk.bl.ethos.433713
Myshrall reasons are here on PBF:
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...lunder-in-reading-the-apparatus.843/post-1764
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TuT - Text und Textwerk - on Schmid - covers P47 but probably not Andreas
Text und Textwert der griechischen Handschriften des Neuen Testaments (2017)
VL Die Apokalypse
Teststellenkollation und Auswertungen In Verbindung
https://books.google.com/books?id=NXkqDwAAQBAJ&pg=PA137
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Constantin von Tischendorf, Novum Testamentum Sinaiticum cum Epistula Barnabae et Fragmentis Pastoris, 2 vols. [Leipzig: Brockhaus, 1863];
Tischendorf, Novum Testamentum Graece, 3 vols. [Leipzig: Kohler, 1841 ], 3:346;
Malik on Tischendorf is quite different and does have later dates rewritten by Gregory et al)
42; C. Tischendorf, ed., Novum Testamentum Graece, vol. 1-2, (8th ed.; trans. J. C. Hinrichs; 1894; 8th ed.; Leipzig: Giesecke and Devrient, 1869-1872, vol. 3: Prolegomena (scripsit C.R. Gregory; Leipzig: J.C. Hinrichs, 1894), 3.346.
1894 - Volume 1
http://www.archive.org/details/novumtestamentu01greggoog
1894 - Volume 3
https://books.google.com/books?id=4SJVAAAAMAAJ&hl=en
https://archive.org/details/novumtestamentu01abbogoog/page/n11/mode/1up
http://books.google.com/books?id=n3pAAAAAIAAJ&pg=RA1-PA96
http://www.archive.org/details/novumtestamentum33tisc
Search "De Novi Testamenti correctoribus statuit Tischendorfius "
And you get some Gregory explanations of Tischendorf
1884
https://books.google.com/books?id=6fi4wK1_Z4sC&pg=PA346
1894
https://books.google.com/books?id=4SJVAAAAMAAJ&pg=PA346
LOOKING FOR MY EARLIER ANALYSIS AS TO THE QUESTION OF HOW GREGORY GOT THIS ON HIS p. 346 FROM TISCHENDORF
how did Tischendorf date the correctors - including three crosses note
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...including-three-crosses-note.2853/#post-11824
the Tischendorf plug-in-the-date guesswork led to the Josef Schmid blunder in reading the apparatus
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...-schmid-blunder-in-reading-the-apparatus.843/
private - Peter Malik - historical retrospect Tischendorf on correctors - Revelation correctors palaeographic study
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php?threads/private-peter-malik.2951/
=========================================
PBF
Maurice Robinson
Constantinou, Eugenia Scarvelis
Andrew Criddle
Evangelical Textual Criticism
Ancient Texts
Colwell
Arethas and Oecumenius
Facebook - TRA
Nazaroo
Nicklas Tobias
Hoskier and his reference
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