Enrico Tuccinardi and Rene Salm try to throw sand on the Caesarea Maritima mosaic

Steven Avery

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The title is a bit ironic, as I find their claims worthy of careful consideration.

i have long believed Nazareth is misplaced in the valley, long before the Rene Salm stuff.
So he is generally irrelevant overall, but the Caesarea Maritimi is interesting!

Also, similarities to Sinaiticus

Coincidenes
Too good to be true
Right places right time
Means, motive, opportunity
 
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Steven Avery

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https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=182462#p182462

this can make a new BCHF post.

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The Caesarea Maritima Inscription with Nazareth as the 18th course

The forgery concern involving Jerry Vardaman is worth careful analysis.

Enrico Tuccinardi mentions it on BCHF here ( enricotuccinardi )
https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=145080&hilit=Vardaman#p145080

Enrico Tuccinardi - Academia.edu
https://independent.academia.edu/EnricoTuccinardi

Nazareth, the Caesarea Inscription, and the Hand of God (2013)
https://www.academia.edu/14381295/Nazareth_the_Caesarea_Inscription_and_the_Hand_of_God
https://archive.org/details/NazarethTheCaesareaInscriptionAndTheHandOfGod.
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/201...aesarea-inscription-and-the-hand-of-god-pt-1/
https://ia803205.us.archive.org/33/...Caesarea Inscription, and the hand of God.pdf
Addendum
https://www.academia.edu/14384775/N...he_Hand_of_God_Addendum?sm=b&rhid=31172843062
French
https://www.academia.edu/14381271/Nazareth_lÉpigraphe_de_Césarée_et_la_main_de_Dieu

Chapter 12 - Rene Salm’s book
The 1962 Forgery of the "Caesarea Inscription"
https://www.academia.edu/95426473/The_1962_Forgery_of_the_Caesarea_Inscription_


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Neil Godfrey on the Richard Carrier writing dismissing the forgery concern

2021-09-29
Is the Nazareth Question Important? A Response to Richard Carrier
https://vridar.org/2021/09/29/is-the-nazareth-question-important-a-response-to-richard-carrier/

The Neil Godfrey article includes a few additional urls.
Richard Carrier
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/18645
Richard Carrier on Vardaman in different context
https://infidels.org/library/modern/richard-carrier-quirinius/#Vardaman
ASOR on Vardaman
http://www.mythicistpapers.com/2013/08/25/vardaman-6/

Rene Salm
Salm’s translation of Enrico Tuccinardi’s research into the authenticity of the Caesarea Inscription begins here. Salm’s fuller discussion of the circumstances of the so-called discovery of that artefact begins here and the subsequent posts can be followed easily from this point.
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/201...aesarea-inscription-and-the-hand-of-god-pt-1/
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/2013/06/10/is-the-caesarea-inscription-a-forgery/
https://www.mythicistpapers.com/2013/07/21/new-light-on-the-caesarea-inscription-pt-1/

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11 posts on one thread
Evidence for first-century Nazareth?
discuss Vardaman and Nazareth
https://earlywritings.com/forum/search.php?keywords=Vardaman+nazareth

DCHindley
https://earlywritings.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5895#p5895

Discussion highlights can be mirrored here.

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Steven Avery

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2020 note fom Stephen Gorandon
StephenGoranson post_id=113461 time=1602492555 user_id=6974 said:
Nazareth is mentioned in an inscription from Caesarea (full disclosure: someone suggested that was fake, but I don’t recall any good reason given),

Jan 2024 usage
StephenGoranson post_id=163728 time=1704584208 user_id=6974 said:
The inscription in Caesarea mentions Nazareth.

April 2024
StephenGoranson post_id=171992 time=1714303854 user_id=6974 said:
There is a great deal of literature on Nazareth, plus excavation, and the Caesarea inscription find, since 1912.



Sept 2024 usage
StephenGoranson post_id=177040 time=1725218353 user_id=6974 said:
Given that the Caesarea inscription spells Nazareth with a tsade,
 

Steven Avery

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StephenGoranson post_id=163728 time=1704584208 user_id=6974 said:
The inscription in Caesarea mentions Nazareth.

Frederic Parpinel, following up on the studies of Kevin Kluetz, has done some work on the Caesarea Maritima inscription and Nazareth.

Currently it is only in Archive.org.

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https://web.archive.org/web/2021062...lylandpathways.com/har-nitai-as-nazareth.html

June 28, 2019 on Facebook

... the new page, about the 24 Priestly Divisions in the Galilee, that I have launched since a few days in the Har Nitai as Nazareth article. This page is necessary for corroborative evidence regarding Har Nitai as the original place in which our Lord did grow up until He left it for Capernaum, especially in the "Clusters of Priestly Courses" paragraph.

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His pictures and maps seem to be maintained well.

We can note the questions about the inscription here:
 

Steven Avery

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"Salm’s argument is that the published evidence supports the view that Nazareth ceased to be populated in the centuries immediately preceding the present era and was only resettled some time around the late first century — most likely after the war of 66-70"
 
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Steven Avery

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And this is the whole thing – the myth of Nazareth not existing hinges on a place that clearly existed before and after the time of Jesus mysteriously stopping existing at the time of Jesus, then reappearing again, with the same name, and the Gospel writers who were trying to convert Jews in Palestine inventing a fictitious place for some bizarre reason of their own, that just happened to come back in to existence.
What seems to have actually happened: an old anticlerical/atheist myth was questioned when the archaeological evidence showed it was nonsense. Rather than relinquish it, a few folks have set about arguing the archaeologists are wrong. Sad but true?”
 

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The Historicity of Nazareth (2026)
Richard Carrier
https://www.richardcarrier.info/archives/40659

But in case you didn’t know, René Salm is an amateur who has advanced often contradictory and overreaching critiques of Nazareth archaeology, up to and including outright conspiracy theories. For example, to “get rid” of the Caesarea inscription he promotes the conspiracy theory of Enrico Tuccinardi
(yes, that Tuccinardi)
accusing Jerry Vardaman of forging it. This kind of desperate and bizarre apologetics is alone discrediting of Salm’s reliability (and Tuccinardi’s). Vardaman could not have forged this—he was working with an entire team in the field on its discovery, and there is no evidence anything about the original find is fake. Moreover, Vardaman was conspicuously not a forger. When he worked on this dig he had not yet gone insane—that occurred decades later, and even then his madness resulted in him seeing things on coins and inscriptions that weren’t there, not forging inscriptions on them (I thoroughly cover the Vardaman madness in

Hitler Homer Bible Christ).

We also already knew Nazareth was in Jewish legend one of the places priests were settled from a

7th century poem

that the Caesarea inscription only confirms (and indeed

that poem

says this happened

when the temple was destroyed,

not seventy years later, again confirming when these relocations happened and why). And that fact is itself confirmed by

another inscription
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DJE_23

(and yet others, as described by Grey

, pp. 317–26) that only lost the part mentioning Nazareth but verify the poem and Caesarea inscription. So trying to insist the Caesarea inscription is fake is too crank to credit.

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Hi Richard,

Interesting discussion.

While I have used the Caesarea Maritima Nazareth inscription, I thought Tuccinardi raised some interesting points and put those arguments aside.. Now I will have to review again!

More importantly, for those of us who are Bible believers, you can never get this square peg into a round hole.

Luke 4:29 (AV)
"And rose up, and thrust him out of the city,
and led him unto the brow of the hill whereon their city was built,
that they might cast him down headlong.


Michael Wolter, quoted by others,astutely says "pure fiction".

“The place to which Jesus is led and from which he is to be thrown down is not topographically verifiable and ancient Nazareth was not located on a mountain but in a high valley. The details regarding this are pure fiction.”
The Gospel According to Luke: Volume I


Except the far better locale for New Testament Nazareth is Har Nitai, (across from Arbel), from which you can actually see "down to Capernaum". These 900' cliffs were used for execution. (Josephus describes this for Mount Arbel)

There are many reasons this is an excellent fit.

The first studies that pin-pointed this location afawk were done by Kevin Kluetz, using his Army Ranger skills throughout Galilee and Golan after Desert Storm.

Blessings and grace,
Steven Avery
researcher
Dutchess County, NY USA
 
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