IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

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IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

1John 5:v.7

There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father-The WORD- , the Word-The Word made flesh-JESUS- , and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.

THREE DIVINE PERSONS
We need to re-estudy our conceptions about the person of Holy Spirit, the Spirit of Truth, mentioned in John 14:v.16 and 26, and I hope he helps to all to know him better, because he is not the own JESUS in His return as some think, no, absolutely no. In fact, he is the third among the three. DETAIL: He is the LESSER among the three.
Would not the person of the Holy Spirit be the LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE younger brother of JESUS?-Luke 15:v.32. Maybe EQUALLY to ALL READERS of this present post being brothers of JESUS by adoption? By the way, this was/is one of JESUS's main objetive-John 17:v.20-21. Check it.

Many many time ago (18th century),"Mr. Porson asked; “Why is the epithet [holy,]” after being twice omitted, added [to Spirit] in the seventh verse?"
Beza says, “In order to distinguish one Spirit from the other, ut ab eo distinguatur cujus fit mentio in sequenti versu." Perhaps, too, because when the Three Divine Persons are connumerated in the same passage, as in Matth. xxviii. 19, 2 Cor. xiii. 13, the epithet was usually added. It may also be asked, why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically? The reason appears to be, because in one the unity is essential and real; in the other, ADVENTITiOUS and APPARENT only; and because the eighth verse is dependent on the seventh, as a RELATIVE is on its antecedent.*
The above comments of Porson and Beza are very interesting, the writers try, among doubts, to understand the deep mysteries of Three Divine Persons, and even they progress to a certain point in their vision, without however reaching the main goal: Identify who is the character to which it was added the epithet [holy,] In fact, this is very profound and is not easy to penetrate in this wonderful heavenly environment although OUR PRIVILEGE to be "living or dwelling" spiritually even in heaven through / by the Word of GOD -the Word is GOD - or in heavenly place in Christ as is revealed in Ephesians 1:v.3-7, among others, as below:
3 Blessed be the GOD and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who hath blessed us with all spiritual blessings in heavenly places in Christ:
4 According as He hath chosen us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:
5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself (Hallelujaaah), according to the good pleasure of His will,
6 To the praise of the glory of His grace, wherein He hath made us accepted in the beloved.-JESUS-. Songs of Solomon chap. 2;5;6;8.

AGAIN: THREE DIVINE PERSONS


1 - THE PERSON OF GOD, GOD FATHER - THE WORD
Although GOD -the Word- be invisible, the true believers know many things about HIM because JESUS revealed Him (Matt.11:v.27 among others). By the way, in His pray Lord JESUS said: John 17:v.4-10 :
4 I have glorified thee on the earth: I have finished the work which thou gavest me to do.
5 And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was.
6 I have manifested thy name unto the men which thou gavest me out of the world: thine they were, and thou gavest them me; and they have kept thy word.
7 Now they have known that all things whatsoever thou hast given me are of thee.
8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me; and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee, and they have believed that thou didst send me.
9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world, but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.
10 And all mine are thine, and thine are mine; and I am glorified in them.

2 - THE PERSON OF GOD, GOD SON-JESUS - THE WORD MADE FLESH
No need to comment. The Person of JESUS is known from two thousand years ago-Hebrews 1:v.1-3. In fact, the person of JESUS was known many time before, His birth was preached by the prophets, the Spirit of Christ was in them-1 Peter 1:v.10-12.
In fact, the Person of JESUS (Behold the man!) is known of men, and is also known of the angels, and He is known of the demons too, as is written in Acts 19:v.15.

3 - THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT - AN UNKNOWN PERSON

The person of the Holy Spirit is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person, and as a Person, as was JESUS in flesh and bones, he is completely unknown. As a Person, he has several missions, as JESUS said:;

JESUS said: John 16:v.12-15 and v.8-11:
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for HE SHALL NOT SPEAK OF HIMSELF; but whatsoever HE SHALL HEAR, THAT SHALL HE SPEAK: and he will shew you things to come.
14 He shall glorify me: for he shall receive of mine, and shall shew it unto you.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that he shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto you.

8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of Judgment:
9 Of sin, because they believe not on me;
10 Of righteousness, because I go to my Father, and ye see me no more;
11 Of Judgment, because the prince of this world is Judged.

WOULDN'T THE PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT BE THE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32 - THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE BROTHER OF JESUS?
- The Person of he Holy Spirit has not genealogy as JESUS has; why? Because he is not a Jew.

- As I said above, JESUS, or the NAME of JESUS, is known of men, and is also known of the angels, and He is known of the demons too. But the person of the Holy Spirit has a NAME written (in the Holy Scriptures, course) that no MAN knows, but he himself. I repit: He has not genealogy as JESUS has, he is not a Jew.
- JESUS came from heaven and He was born in Israel. John 6:v.38 - I came down from heaven (Behold the man! John 19:5) not to do mine own will, but the will of Him that sent me.
In the other hand, the prophetic birth of the person of Holy Spirit is not in Israel, but in a Gentile nation. His birth is within the body of Christ-the Church-and as JESUS said, he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak, for he shall receive of mine, he shall take of mine. This exposed picture or figure is like the Sun and Moon. The Moon receives light from the Sun and reflets the light over the Earth; Regardings the light of JESUS reflected by the Holy Spirit over the Earth, I can see by analogy in Genesis 1:v.16:-And GOD made two great lights; the Greater Light to rule the day, and the Lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also. Revelation 12:1-2&5.
12 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman(the Church of the Lord JESUS) clothed with the Sun (JESUS and His Light, the Greater Light), and the moon (the Lesser light - the person of the Holy Spirit) under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars: (The twelve Apostles of the Lord JESUS)
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered. 5-And she brought forth a man child - the person of the Holy Spirit- , who was to rule all nations (EXCEPT ISRAEL) with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT UP unto GOD, and to His throne. By the way, about GOD's Throne-Psalm 97:v.1-2CJB say: The Lord is king, let the earth rejoice, let the many coasts and islands be glad.
2 Clouds and thick darkness surround him; Righteousness and Justice are the foundation of His throne.

That said, what was asked by Mr. Porson and answered by Beza has sense, as was exposed above and I transcribe below:
Again: Mr.Porson asked: "Why is the epithet [holy,] ” after being twice omitted, added [to Spirit] in the seventh verse? Beza says:“In order to distinguish one Spirit from the other, ut ab eo distinguatur cujus fit mentio in sequenti versu."

I highlight also the explanation below mainly where the commenter tries to understand and asks "why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically?" His conclusion is much much more interesting and impressive when he says: The reason appears to be, because in one THE UNITY is essential and real; in the other, ADVENTITIOUS and APPARENT ONLY (highlight mine); and because the eighth verse is dependent on the seventh, AS A RELATIVE (yeah, as a RELATIVE) is on its antecedent".
Perhaps, too, because when the Three Divine Persons are connumerated in the same passage, as in Matth. xxviii. 19, 2 Cor. xiii. 14, the epithet was usually added. It may also be asked, why, in the original, the expression of unity in the two verses differs, one from the other, both doctrinally and grammatically? The reason appears to be, because in one the unity is essential and real; in the other, adventitious and APPARENT only; and because the eighth verse is dependent on the seventh, as a RELATIVE is on its antecedent.*

How to understand the adventitious and apparent connection of the Holy Spirit as a Person, the smallest Person among the three, I mean with God the Father, and Jesus, and even so, so small Person, being One with God the Father and Jesus? Great mystery.

QUESTION: Would not he be the LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE younger brother of JESUS?-Luke 15:v.32, equally maybe as ALL READERS of this present post being brothers of JESUS by adoption? By the way, this was/is one of JESUS's main objetive-John 17:v.20-21. Check it.

 

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Revelation 12:v.1-2

1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven (celestial place in Christ Jesus-Ephesians 1:v.3); a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven (celestial place in Christ Jesus-Ephesians 1:v.3) ; and behold a great red Dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 ... and the great red Dragon
stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to DEVOUR her child as soon as it was born. (He was born and the Devil, the red Dragon, was in the same environment of the prophetic birth of the MAN child)

5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was CAUGHT up unto GOD -GOD the Father-, and to his Throne. (Note: but not as a baby)
Psalm 97:v. 1-2 -
1 The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice; let the multitude of isles be glad thereof.
2 Clouds and darkness are round about him: righteousness and Judgment are the foundation of His Throne.

Luke 15:v.11 to 32


11 And he said, A certain man had two sons:

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country (a strange country), and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country (a strange country); and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him (gave nothing to him).

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more WORTHY to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

22 But the father said to his servants, Bring forth the best robe, and put it on him; and put a ring on his hand, and shoes on his feet:

23 And bring hither the fatted calf, and kill it; and let us eat, and be merry:

24 For this my son was dead, and is alive again; he was lost, and is found. And they began to be merry.

25 Now his elder son was in the field: and as he came and drew nigh to the house, he heard musick and dancing.

26 And he called one of the servants, and asked what these things meant.

27 And he said unto him, Thy brother is come; and thy father hath killed the fatted calf, because he hath received him safe and sound.

28 And he was angry, and would not go in: therefore came his father out, and intreated him.

29 And he answering said to his father, Lo, these many years do I serve thee, neither transgressed I at any time thy commandment: and yet thou never gavest me a kid, that I might make merry with my friends:

30 But as soon as this thy son was come, which hath devoured thy living with harlots, thou hast killed for him the fatted calf.

31 And he said unto him, Son, thou art ever with me, and all that I have is thine.

32 It was meet that we should make merry, and be glad: for this thy brother was dead, and is alive again; and was lost, and is found.
 
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Oseas

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Philippians 3:v.20 - our conversation is in heaven; from whence also we look for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ; yes, our conversation is in heaven, it's according Ephesians 1:v.3, but is it not coming to EARTH? Good question. Of course it is in the Earth.

Revelation 11:v.15 peremptorily states: The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the Kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

And JESUS in His Ministry said: They which shall be accounted worthy to obtain(to reach) that WORLD, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage: Neither can they die any more: for they are EQUAL unto the angels; and are the children of GOD(John 1:v.12), being the children of the resurrection-Luke 20:v.35-36.

As we know, the Word is GOD, right?-John 1:v.1
. The Word is self-executing because is GOD(great mystery), the Word is the Power, yeah, is the Power, the verses above quoted were written when the Word-i.e. GOD-was made flesh self-NAMED JESUS, "Who being the brightness of GOD's glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of His Person(GOD's Person), and upholding all things by the Word of His Power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty -(at right hand of the Power) on high-Hebrews 1:v.8.

1 GOD -the Father-, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
2 Hath in these last days -last two days- spoken unto us by His Son -GOD's Son-verse 8, whom He hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also-by JESUS-He made the worlds; (In the beginning - in JESUS- GOD the Father-the Word-created the heavens and the earth).
3 Who being the brightness of His glory, and the EXPRESS IMAGE of His person, and upholding all things by the Word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:
4 Being made so much better than the ANGELS, as He hath by inheritance obtained a more excellent NAME than they.

7 And of the ANGELS, GOD saith, Who maketh His angels spirits/winds-, and His ministers a flame of fire.
8 But unto the Son, GOD saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
JESUS IS GOD, i.e. the Word made flesh.
 

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IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

1John 5:v.7

There are three that bear record in heaven, the Father-The WORD- , the Word-The Word made flesh-JESUS- , and the Holy Spirit (who is not a ghost as is written in English language, but a Person) : and these three are One.

Why do come to the pure bible forum and talk against the Word?

This is what it says:

5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I was going to respond to some of the finer points of what you wrote, but stop saying the Holy Ghost is not a ghost mixing the Word with your dung.
 

Oseas

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IS NOT THE PERSON OF HOLY SPIRIT THE LAWFUL / LEGITIMATE YOUNGER BROTHER OF JESUS? LUKE 15:v.32

Isaiah prophesied: Isaiah 51:v.14 - 17

Isaiah 51:v.14 KJV

14 The captive exile hasteneth that he may be loosed, and that he should not die in the pit, nor that his bread should fail.

15 But I am the Lord thy God, that divided the sea, whose waves roared: The Lord of hosts is his name. (the sea, whose waves roared: are peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues)

16 And I have put my words in thy mouth, and I have covered thee in the shadow of mine hand, that I may plant the heavens, and lay the foundations of the earth, and say unto Zion, Thou art my people.

Isaiah 51:v.14 CJB - Complete Jewish Bible
14 The captive will soon be set free;
he will not die and go down to Sh’ol;
on the contrary, his food supply will be secure.
15 For I am Adonai your God,
who stirs up the sea, who makes its waves roar —
Adonai-Tzva’ot is my name.
16 I have put my words in your mouth
and covered you with the shadow of my hand,
in order to plant the skies [anew],
lay the foundations of the earth [anew]
and say to Tziyon, ‘You are my people.’”
17 Awake! Awake! Stand up, Yerushalayim!

Isaiah 51:v.14 - Chabad
14 What must be poured out hastened to be opened, and he shall not die of destruction, and his bread shall not be wanting. ידמִהַ֥ר צֹעֶ֖ה לְהִפָּתֵ֑חַ וְלֹֽא־יָמ֣וּת לַשַּׁ֔חַת וְלֹ֥א יֶחְסַ֖ר לַחְמֽוֹ:

15 I am the Lord your God, Who wrinkles the sea and its waves stir; the Lord of Hosts is His name. טווְאָֽנֹכִי֙ יְהֹוָ֣ה אֱלֹהֶ֔יךָ רֹגַ֣ע הַיָּ֔ם וַיֶּֽהֱמ֖וּ גַּלָּ֑יו יְהֹוָ֥ה צְבָא֖וֹת שְׁמֽוֹ:

16 And I placed My words into your mouth, and with the shadow of My hand I covered you, to plant the heavens and to found the earth and to say to Zion [that] you are My people. טזוָֽאָשִׂ֚ים דְּבָרַי֙ בְּפִ֔יךָ וּבְצֵ֥ל יָדִ֖י כִּסִּיתִ֑יךָ לִנְטֹ֚עַ שָׁמַ֙יִם֙ וְלִיסֹ֣ד אָ֔רֶץ וְלֵאמֹ֥ר לְצִיּ֖וֹן עַמִּי־אָֽתָּה:
https://www.chabad.org/library/bible_cdo/aid/15982

Isaiah 51:v.14-16 JFA - Portuguese language:
14 O exilado CATIVO depressa será solto, e não morrerá na caverna, e o seu pão não lhe faltará.
15 Porque eu sou o SENHOR, teu Deus, que fende o mar e bramem as suas ondas(povos, nações, multidões e línguas). SENHOR dos Exércitos é o seu nome.
16 E ponho as minhas palavra na tua boca e te cubro com a sombra da minha mão, para plantar os céus, e para fundar a terra, e para dizer a Sião: Tu és o meu povo.

Isaiah 51:v.14 - A mix of CJB & KJV & Chabad
The captive will soon be set free-CJB(he may be loosed-KJV); he will not die and go down to Sh’ol-CJB (he should not die in the pit-KJV); on the contrary, his food supply will be secure-CJB (his bread shall not be wanting-Chabad).
 

Oseas

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Why do come to the pure bible forum and talk against the Word?

This is what it says:

5:7 For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

I was going to respond to some of the finer points of what you wrote, but stop saying the Holy Ghost is not a ghost mixing the Word with your dung.
You are saying that because you believe in ghost. By the way, many Americans believe too and have a lot of literatures about.
But in fact, the Holy Spirit is not a ghost as you think He is, and as is written in the Bible of English language.

The Holy Spirit is a Person as JESUS also is even after His resurrection-John 24:v.36-43-Check it.

To speak of the Person of the Holy Spirit it is necessary, first of all, to have the Holy Spirit.
 

keyofdavid

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You are saying that because you believe in ghost. By the way, many Americans believe too and have a lot of literatures about.
But in fact, the Holy Spirit is not a ghost as you think He is, and as is written in the Bible of English language.

The Holy Spirit is a Person as JESUS also is even after His resurrection-John 24:v.36-43-Check it.

To speak of the Person of the Holy Spirit it is necessary, first of all, to have the Holy Spirit.
I don't really care how you interpret the text if we agree on the text. But if you change the text to support your crappy beliefs then that is a different text.

If you believe the Holy Ghost is not a ghost, then I can reason with about that, no matter how insane that sounds.

But if you half quote the text and just remove those words replacing them with your own, what on earth do you think you are doing?
 

Oseas

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I don't really care how you interpret the text if we agree on the text.
The true text of 1John 5:v.7 is:- For there are three witnesses in heaven- the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit, and these three are One. 1 John 5:v.7 ISV
The verse above is the truer and most correct translation for anyone who knows the Person of the Holy Spirit.

But if you change the text to support your crappy beliefs then that is a different text.
I believe in the interpretation that is a pure Bible, I didn't change anything, that's an evil accusation against me, what matters and prevails is the Truth. GOD is Truth. And you need to know the Truth, then Truth shall make you free. By the way, your spirit is not bored because my belief, but because of the Truth according the verse quoted above, which your evil spirit calls it of crappy.

If you believe the Holy Ghost is not a ghost, then I can reason with about that, no matter how insane that sounds.
As I said, the Person of the Holy Spirit is not a ghost as you believe, either lowercase or uppercase.
I believe in the Person of the Holy Spirit and I know him, he is one of the three DISTINCTS Persons in GOD the Father, i.e. in the Word self-executing, the Word is GOD, understand?

But if you half quote the text and just remove those words replacing them with your own, what on earth do you think you are doing?
What does the Word made flesh says? JESUS said: John 16:v.12-13 and 15:
12 I have yet many things to say unto you, but ye cannot bear them now.
13 Howbeit when HE, the Spirit of truth, is come -the Person of the Holy Spirit-, HE will guide you into all Truth: for HE shall not speak of Himself; but whatsoever HE shall hear, that shall HE speak: and HE will shew you things to come.
15 All things that the Father hath are mine: therefore said I, that HE shall take of mine, and shall shew it unto

Is not HE the ancient of days?
 
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keyofdavid

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The verse above is the truer and most correct translation for anyone who knows the Person of the Holy Spirit.
Translation of what?
If Holy Spirit is the correct translation of your text then you have the wrong text.
What is your text?
 

Oseas

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Translation of what?
If Holy Spirit is the correct translation of your text then you have the wrong text.
What is your text?
There is nothing wrong with the Holy Spirit. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from God's perspective.
 

keyofdavid

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There is nothing wrong with the Holy Spirit. Your thinking is from a human perspective, a stumblingblock, not from God's perspective.
Reasserting your position doesn't prove anything. I suggest you withdraw your accusation against the Holy Ghost or suffer the consequences.
 

Oseas

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Greetings in Christ JESUS

Meditate more deeply GOD's Word. What does the Word of GOD say? The Word is GOD-John 1:1; Yes, the Word is GOD, self-executing, understand? Yes, self-executing, and the Word is from everlasting to everlasting, it has no beginning and no ending-JESUS is the beginning and the ending-Rev.1:8.

Is the Word GOD? Self-executable? About the coming of the Ancient of Days, the Word-GOD the Father- said:Isaiah 7:13-16
13... Hear now, O house of David; It is a small thing for you to weary men, but would you also weary my GOD?
14 The Lord himself will give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.
15 Butter and honey he shall eat, that he may know to reject evil and choose good.
16 For before the child knows to reject the evil and choose the good, the land that you abhor will be forsaken by both her kings.

Now see: The Word is GOD, the same was made flesh. The NAME of GOD made flesh is JESUS. The Word-the Father- and the Word made flesh- the Son- are One, and without GOD the Son was made whatever was made, says the Word, GOD the Father.
The Word made flesh-GOD Son, said:No man knows the Son, but the Father; neither knows any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal Him.Mat.11:27.

JESUS was born from Virgen Mary, The Word-GOD-was made flesh.See:JESUS never needed to to reject the evil and choose the good, but the Ancient of days-the God of the earth(Rev.11:4)yes; This MAN born also from a Virgen-the Church of the Lord JESUS-Rev.12:1-2& 5.Take a look.And he has a NAME that no man knows,but he himself. He is a Gentile MAN,not a Jew, without father,without mother, without descent,having neither beginning of days,nor end of life; but made like unto the Son of GOD-Rev.1:12-16.To her was granted that should be arrayed in fine linen,clean and white:Blessed are they which are called unto the marriage supper of the Lamb-Rev.19:8-9.Come up hither for understanding
 

Oseas

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Revelation 12:4 - ...and the dragon(mentioned in Revelation 13:11) stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.

If we analyze deeply the verse above about this current time of Apocalypse, all men-child that were born in this world of Devil they all were spiritually ready to be devoured by the Dragon, the old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceives the whole world, but billions of them were destined to heir the Kingdom of GOD through the sacrifice of my Lord JESUS on the cross.
By the way, even the man-child-Revelation 12:1-2&5- yes, INCLUDING the specific and exceptional man-child was also ready to be devoured by the dragon, as prophesied Isaiah 7:11-17, who was born from the woman-the Gentile Church- clothed with the sun- i.e. clothed with the Greater Light-JESUS- , and the moon under her feet-the Lesser Light-the Holy Spirit- who has given and will give support to the woman -to the Gentile Church- in the world of Devil while JESUS remains in heaven until His return in days to come, or even until the times that the fullness of the Gentiles be fulfilled, and upon Her head a crown of twelve stars -they are 12 apostles of the Lord-Matthew 19:27-28. Take a look.

Isaiah 7:11-17


11 Ask thee a sign of the Lord thy God; ask it either in the DEPTH, or in the HEIGHT above.

12 But Ahaz said, I will not ask, neither will I tempt the Lord.

13 And he said, Hear ye now, O house of David; Is it a small thing for you to weary men, but will ye weary my God also?

14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son(a man-child, and the red Dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born),and shall call his name Immanuel; (that means God with us-Revelation 11:4 & 2-3 combined with Luke 21:24).

15 Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to REFUSE the EVIL, and CHOOSE the GOOD.

16 For before the child shall know to REFUSE the EVIL, and CHOOSE the GOOD, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

17 The Lord shall bring upon thee, and upon thy people, and upon thy father's house, days that have not come(Daniel 12:1 combined with Matthew 24:15 & 21-22), from the day that Ephraim departed from Judah; even the king of Assyria.

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Oseas

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Luke 15:11-21

11 JESUS said, A certain man had two sons:

12 And the younger of them said to his father, Father, give me the portion of goods that falleth to me. And he divided unto them his living.

13 And not many days after the younger son gathered all together, and took his journey into a far country, and there wasted his substance with riotous living.

14 And when he had spent all, there arose a mighty famine in that land; and he began to be in want.

15 And he went and joined himself to a citizen of that country; and he sent him into his fields to feed swine.

16 And he would fain have filled his belly with the husks that the swine did eat: and no man gave unto him.

17 And when he came to himself, he said, How many hired servants of my father's have bread enough and to spare, and I perish with hunger!

18 I will arise and go to my father, and will say unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and before thee,

19 And am no more worthy to be called thy son: make me as one of thy hired servants.

20 And he arose, and came to his father. But when he was yet a great way off, his father saw him, and had compassion, and ran, and fell on his neck, and kissed him.

21 And the son said unto him, Father, I have sinned against heaven, and in thy sight, and am no more worthy to be called thy son.

Question: What you think how the journey back of the prodigal son to the house of his Father is?

Well, he must use the sharp Sword -Hebrews 4:11-13- and fight and make War and win the War against the red Dragon, the old serpent called the Devil and Satan and his messengers that deceive the whole world, understand?

Hebrews 4:11-13
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of disobedience / contempt / unbelief.

12 For the Word of GOD is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart.

13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of Him with whom we must render an acccount.

Revelation 12:9-12
9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his messengers were cast out with him.

10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8 combined with Philippians 3:20-21. Take a look), Now is come salvation, and strength, and the Kingdom of our GOD (according Revelation 11:15-18), and the power of His Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our GOD day and night.

11 And they overcame him by the BLOOD of the Lamb(blood of JESUS), and by the Word of their testimony(Revelation 19:10); and they loved not their lives unto the death.

12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them(Ephesians 1:3-8). Woe to the inhabiters of the earth(Israel) and of the sea(peoples, and nations, and multitudes of all tongues-Gentile nations)! for the Devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

Be careful or else get ready

And Revelation 13:3 and 11-14 --> 3 And I saw one of his (7) heads as it were wounded to death;

11 And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon.

12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.

13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,

14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a Sword, and did live. (Terrible, very terrible)

Be careful or else get ready
 

Oseas

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Perfect, you are right. The Holy Spirit is a Person, the Paraclete, the Comfort - John 15:26 and John 16:12-15 - not a force (a ghost) or power from God. JESUS revealed (through His angel, and John testified) that the person of the Holy Spirit is the God of the earth-Revelation 11:4 combined with Zechariah 4:11-14.

The two olive trees(source of oil -the OT and NT, two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of THEMSELVES-Zechariah 4:11-14) , and the two candlesticks(two Churches: the Gentile Church and the Jewish Church-Hebrews 12:22-24) are standing before the God of the earth-the person of the Holy Spirit.

1John 5:7 - There are three that bear record (testify) in heaven(heaven?Ephesians 1:3-8), the Father(GOD Father), the Word(the Word made flesh-JESUS), and the Holy Spirit (who is a Person, not a ghost as is written in English language due to translators' carelessness): and these three are One. (Great mystery. Would not he be the younger brother of JESUS-Luke 15:30-32 combined with prophecy of Isaiah 7:15-16. Take a look. Great mystery.)

The message above is a reply to sister GIGI - My comment on 5/17/2024, 9:37pm -
 
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Oseas

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RUTH 4

Then went Boaz(by allegory,the Holy Spirit) up to the gate, and sat him down there: and,behold, the kinsman of whom Boaz spake came by; unto whom Boaz said, Ho, such a one! (that is the Lord JESUS) turn aside, sit down here. And he turned aside, and sat down. And Boaz took 10 men of the elders of the city, and said, Sit ye down here. They sat down. Boaz said unto the kinsman: Naomi that come again out of the country of Moab, sells a parcel of land, which was our brother Elimelech's: And I advertise thee: Buy it before the inhabitants and the elders of my people. If thou wilt redeem it, redeem it: but if thou wilt not redeem it, then tell me, that I may know: THERE IS NONE TO REDEEM IT BESIDE THEE; and I AM after thee. And he said ,I will redeem it.

Boaz said: What day thou buy the field of the hand of Naomi, thou must buy it also of Ruth the Moabitess, wife of the dead, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance. And the kinsman said, I CANNOT REDEEM IT FOR MYSELF,LEST I MAR MINE OWN INHERITANCE: redeem thou MY RIGHT to thyself; I CANNOT REDEEM IT, buy it for thee. And Boaz said unto the elders and all the people, Ye are witnesses that I have bought all that was Elimelech's and was Chilion's and Mahlon's,of the hand of Naomi.And Ruth the Moabitess(by allegory the Gentile Church)have I purchased to be my wife, to raise up the name of the dead upon his inheritance. And all the people that were in the gate, and the elders, said, We are witnesses, do thou worthily in Ephratah,and be famous in Bethlehem.

So Boaz took Ruth (by allegory the Gentile Church), and she was his wife: and when he went in unto her, the Lord gave her conception, and she bare a son. And Naomi took the child, and laid it in her bosom, and became nurse unto it. And the women her neighbours gave it a name, saying, there is a son born to Naomi; and they called his name Obed, father of Jesse, the father of David. These are the generations: Pharez begat Hezron, and Hezron begat Ram, begat Amminadab begat Nahshon, begat Salmon, begat Boaz, and Boaz begat Obed, begat Jesse, Jesse begat David.
 

JPPT1974

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Glad despite the desperate situation that Ruth and her mother in law Naomi were in, it turned out to be a blessing in disguise in meeting Boaz and having a son named Obed, father of Jesse, whom in return was the father of David.
 
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