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Scot McKendrick on Vaticanus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUMDfriJW4A
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUMDfriJW4A
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Vaticanus - prolegomena - "like a fifteenth century manuscript"
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The Book of Chronicles and Colophonic Chronography (2018)
Patricia R. Jelbert
https://www.academia.edu/68790550/The_Book_of_Chronicles_and_colophonic_chronography
p. 44
Septuagint, upon inspection, tends to be copies based on the Vaticanus, which purports to come from the fourth century A.D.91 This needs further investigation which goes beyond the remit here, though Dr. Scot McKendrick, Head of Western Antiquities in the British Library, makes an interesting comment on this subject.92
91 E. Wurthwein and A. A. Fischer, The Text of the Old Testament: An Introduction to the Biblica Hebraica, Wm. B. Eerdmans, 2014, p. 119: “The existence of the Vaticanus was first noted in a Vatican Library entry dated 1475.”
92 Dr. Scot McKendrick, the Head of the Western Heritage Collections in the British Library, comments in an On-Camera Interview in April 2008 in the British Library with C. J. Pinto of Adullam Films on the differences between the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus Codex:
“They are different also in one critical way …two ways actually I’d say, let us say, two ways: one is that Vaticanus does not have the extent of correction – that’s a critical difference. Sinaiticus is the most corrected manuscript – Greek Manuscript – of the Scriptures. The second is that Vaticanus has a, now has a very strange appearance. When you look at it as a manuscript expert, although you know that people tell you that it is a fourth century manuscript, it actually looks like a fifteenth century manuscript and there is one very simple reason for that [sic] is that almost the entire text has been over-written by a fifteenth century scribe. Not only that but he has added in fifteenth century decoration, titling and so forth so it has a very strange appearance.”
Patricia R. Jelbert
https://www.academia.edu/68790550/The_Book_of_Chronicles_and_colophonic_chronography
p. 44
Septuagint, upon inspection, tends to be copies based on the Vaticanus, which purports to come from the fourth century A.D.91 This needs further investigation which goes beyond the remit here, though Dr. Scot McKendrick, Head of Western Antiquities in the British Library, makes an interesting comment on this subject.92
91 E. Wurthwein and A. A. Fischer, The Text of the Old Testament: An Introduction to the Biblica Hebraica, Wm. B. Eerdmans, 2014, p. 119: “The existence of the Vaticanus was first noted in a Vatican Library entry dated 1475.”
92 Dr. Scot McKendrick, the Head of the Western Heritage Collections in the British Library, comments in an On-Camera Interview in April 2008 in the British Library with C. J. Pinto of Adullam Films on the differences between the Sinaiticus and the Vaticanus Codex:
“They are different also in one critical way …two ways actually I’d say, let us say, two ways: one is that Vaticanus does not have the extent of correction – that’s a critical difference. Sinaiticus is the most corrected manuscript – Greek Manuscript – of the Scriptures. The second is that Vaticanus has a, now has a very strange appearance. When you look at it as a manuscript expert, although you know that people tell you that it is a fourth century manuscript, it actually looks like a fifteenth century manuscript and there is one very simple reason for that [sic] is that almost the entire text has been over-written by a fifteenth century scribe. Not only that but he has added in fifteenth century decoration, titling and so forth so it has a very strange appearance.”
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Prolegomena 1999 French ? translated
The manuscript is composed of very thin sheets of parchment, carefully prepared; clans quite rare cases, a defect of the skin or a preparation accident gave birth to a small circular hole, circumvented by the scribe when copying. Quite a number of stains and some tears are due to the use of the volume; except in one case (at pp. 355-356, or the outer upper part of the sheet has been removed), they do not seriously compromise reading. Too acidic ink has more than once corrodes, even pierces the parchment; it is rare either to the detriment of readability.
The sheets are arranged according to the so-called law of Gregory: the "flesh" and "hair" dimensions are in gaze and the notebook begins with the flesh side.
Milestones, pierced by means of an instrument of circular section, of very reduced, guide the drawing of the ruler lines. For the vertical lines, they are pierced clans the upper and lower margins, very close of the current edge (which has been quite heavily trimmed); for the horizontal lines, they are located at a distance of 58 to 90 mm from the outer edge of the sheet 5); they therefore fall in the last column of writing, as in the Sinaiticus, by example; and, as in this last manuscript, the last bottom hole is often double 6),
6). Period, not comma
The precise determination of how has been drawn the ruler still poses problems, but one can only emphasize the great regularity of the layout.
It seems like all the lines are drawn on the flesh side. Such an effect normally results from the application of system 2 in the nomenclature of Leroy7l, where the leaves (or bifolios) are settled one by one on the flesh side. Home remains a little perplexed by the fact that often the vertical lines are much stronger than the horizontals, and that both sometimes vary in intensity within the same notebook8l. However, a system with printing from one sheet to another would suppose, for arrive at the current arrangement of "hollows" and "reliefs", complicated manipulations, for which we do not see the reason.
As to the type, or design formed by the rule 9), two major solutions have been adopted, whether it's the three-column layout or of that with two columns, reserved for books sapiential: the difference comes from the way of draw the horizontal lines. The verticals present as follows: in the three-way layout columns, six vertical lines, drawn from the top at the bottom of the page, delimit the three columns10); in the one with two columns, each of them is delimited on the left and on the right by two lines, fairly spaced out: the first line on the left indicates the place where the stique begins, the second, the one where it continues, set back from at first; the two straight lines have the same function, but for the other side of sheet 11). The horizontal lines, in the most common type, each correspond to a line of text; the first and the last are drawn without interruption of the first vertical on the left at the last on the right; more than once, however, the extensions between the columns are indistinguishable 12): perhaps they were never drawn. The other rectors are limited within each of the two or three columns. In a second type, all the horizontal lines are drawn without interruption from the first vertical on the left to the last on the right; but the majority of them are executed according to the formula: one line drawn for two written; exceptions are a few “close” lines (according to the formula: one line drawn for one written) up and possibly down; three solutions have been adopted: 1° five close lines up and two down 13); 2° four above only 14); 3° three above and two below 15); waypoints are regularly spaced ad hoc 16) and it will be noted that a process very similar is used in Sinaiticus 17).
2. MATERIAL, LAYOUT, STITCHING AND RULING
That is just part two of the Prolegomena. There is a lot more you can copy and run through a French translator and go over. I was just sitting in my LazyBoy on my phone, and saw that section and thought it might help,
The manuscript is composed of very thin sheets of parchment, carefully prepared; clans quite rare cases, a defect of the skin or a preparation accident gave birth to a small circular hole, circumvented by the scribe when copying. Quite a number of stains and some tears are due to the use of the volume; except in one case (at pp. 355-356, or the outer upper part of the sheet has been removed), they do not seriously compromise reading. Too acidic ink has more than once corrodes, even pierces the parchment; it is rare either to the detriment of readability.
The sheets are arranged according to the so-called law of Gregory: the "flesh" and "hair" dimensions are in gaze and the notebook begins with the flesh side.
Milestones, pierced by means of an instrument of circular section, of very reduced, guide the drawing of the ruler lines. For the vertical lines, they are pierced clans the upper and lower margins, very close of the current edge (which has been quite heavily trimmed); for the horizontal lines, they are located at a distance of 58 to 90 mm from the outer edge of the sheet 5); they therefore fall in the last column of writing, as in the Sinaiticus, by example; and, as in this last manuscript, the last bottom hole is often double 6),
6). Period, not comma
The precise determination of how has been drawn the ruler still poses problems, but one can only emphasize the great regularity of the layout.
It seems like all the lines are drawn on the flesh side. Such an effect normally results from the application of system 2 in the nomenclature of Leroy7l, where the leaves (or bifolios) are settled one by one on the flesh side. Home remains a little perplexed by the fact that often the vertical lines are much stronger than the horizontals, and that both sometimes vary in intensity within the same notebook8l. However, a system with printing from one sheet to another would suppose, for arrive at the current arrangement of "hollows" and "reliefs", complicated manipulations, for which we do not see the reason.
As to the type, or design formed by the rule 9), two major solutions have been adopted, whether it's the three-column layout or of that with two columns, reserved for books sapiential: the difference comes from the way of draw the horizontal lines. The verticals present as follows: in the three-way layout columns, six vertical lines, drawn from the top at the bottom of the page, delimit the three columns10); in the one with two columns, each of them is delimited on the left and on the right by two lines, fairly spaced out: the first line on the left indicates the place where the stique begins, the second, the one where it continues, set back from at first; the two straight lines have the same function, but for the other side of sheet 11). The horizontal lines, in the most common type, each correspond to a line of text; the first and the last are drawn without interruption of the first vertical on the left at the last on the right; more than once, however, the extensions between the columns are indistinguishable 12): perhaps they were never drawn. The other rectors are limited within each of the two or three columns. In a second type, all the horizontal lines are drawn without interruption from the first vertical on the left to the last on the right; but the majority of them are executed according to the formula: one line drawn for two written; exceptions are a few “close” lines (according to the formula: one line drawn for one written) up and possibly down; three solutions have been adopted: 1° five close lines up and two down 13); 2° four above only 14); 3° three above and two below 15); waypoints are regularly spaced ad hoc 16) and it will be noted that a process very similar is used in Sinaiticus 17).
2. MATERIAL, LAYOUT, STITCHING AND RULING
That is just part two of the Prolegomena. There is a lot more you can copy and run through a French translator and go over. I was just sitting in my LazyBoy on my phone, and saw that section and thought it might help,
Steven Avery
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Neville Birdsall (1928-2005)
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/professor-j-neville-birdsall-503038.html
http://www.reltech.org/TC/v11/Birdsall2006obit.html
Where did the Vatican Codex come from? The earliest reference to it is a 15th-century entry in the Vatican Library catalog. Scholars have suggested that it may have been produced in Egypt, Caesarea, or even Rome. After evaluating these theories, however, Professor J. Neville Birdsall of the University of Birmingham, England, concluded:
“In short, we cannot be certain of the exact date nor the place of origin of Codex Vaticanus, nor, in spite of scholarly efforts, can its history before the fifteenth century be traced.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009727#h=5
p. 45
Apart from a brief mention of the codex by one of the correspondents of Erasmus , little about the details of the manuscript was known for a long time . Some collations were made during the eighteenth century , and the Danish scholar Andreas Birch included the ...
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/obituaries/professor-j-neville-birdsall-503038.html
http://www.reltech.org/TC/v11/Birdsall2006obit.html
Where did the Vatican Codex come from? The earliest reference to it is a 15th-century entry in the Vatican Library catalog. Scholars have suggested that it may have been produced in Egypt, Caesarea, or even Rome. After evaluating these theories, however, Professor J. Neville Birdsall of the University of Birmingham, England, concluded:
“In short, we cannot be certain of the exact date nor the place of origin of Codex Vaticanus, nor, in spite of scholarly efforts, can its history before the fifteenth century be traced.”
https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/2009727#h=5
p. 45
Apart from a brief mention of the codex by one of the correspondents of Erasmus , little about the details of the manuscript was known for a long time . Some collations were made during the eighteenth century , and the Danish scholar Andreas Birch included the ...
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Janko Sagi
https://books.google.com/books?id=td_OLXo4RvkC&pg=PA122
Skeat Bessarion
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...nus-in-the-fifteenth-century”.3406/post-14120
https://books.google.com/books?id=td_OLXo4RvkC&pg=PA122
Skeat Bessarion
https://www.purebibleforum.com/inde...nus-in-the-fifteenth-century”.3406/post-14120
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