Steven Avery
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Facebook - Pure Bible Forum (a little behind on the analysis)
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This is from two CARM threads, also you can find a couple of spots historically where the AV was similarly accused of mistranslation on one or both of these sections.
Note that both trinitarians and non-trinitarians get all bogged up on this issue, trying to make personhood and anti-personhood arguments from the Greek grammar. The truth is simple, any idea that the Spirit is a person is an interpretative (exegetical or eisegetical) understanding. It is not shown from the Greek grammar, and it is not refuted by the Greek grammar (e.g. the lack of a constructio ad sensum by John.) And the AV is often criticized simply for placing the Spirit in neuter grammar.
The basic truth is simple, in the Johannine verses:
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PBF - this thread
https://www.purebibleforum.com/index.php/threads/a.1045
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This is from two CARM threads, also you can find a couple of spots historically where the AV was similarly accused of mistranslation on one or both of these sections.
The CARM threads are fanatastic examples of how Bible believers can get totally confused because of their going back and forth to the Greek text from the pure English Bible.CARM
Challenging Ridiculous Assumptions About the AV and the Holy Spirit
https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/t...-assumptions-about-the-av-and-the-holy-spirit
new! -- an English text that violates Greek grammer ??
https://forums.carm.org/vb5/forum/t...w-an-english-text-that-violates-greek-grammer
Note that both trinitarians and non-trinitarians get all bogged up on this issue, trying to make personhood and anti-personhood arguments from the Greek grammar. The truth is simple, any idea that the Spirit is a person is an interpretative (exegetical or eisegetical) understanding. It is not shown from the Greek grammar, and it is not refuted by the Greek grammar (e.g. the lack of a constructio ad sensum by John.) And the AV is often criticized simply for placing the Spirit in neuter grammar.
The basic truth is simple, in the Johannine verses:
This is true for the Johannine Gospel sections. This is also true for the Reformation Bible Greek. However, not in the corruption versions from the Westcott-Hort recension.The Greek and the English refer to the spirit/pneuma in neuter, and the comforter/advocate/παράκλητος in masculine.
Using slightly different syntax, the Greek and English are consistent in this fundamental element.