Jewish Messiah-Discussion with Rabbi S. Brownstein

[Oseas]

Jewish Messiah-Discussion with Rabbi S. Brownstein May 31, 2025 Hello Rabbi Shmary Brownstein Greetings in the Name of the Lord This reply is the third reply and it is about the last point to comment, it regardings to the content of your extensive email about the coming of Messiah, and about the Biblical Chronology, and about the six GOD's Days of Creation(*). By the way, I have not received a response to my last two emails that I sent you, your opinions and comments matter and are very important to me, regardless of the eventual divergences or differences. Rabbi, among other things you said in your Biblical interpretation, I highlighted the main point, as follows: You said: >>>Hi Oseas, I apologize for the long silence. I wrote to you a while back, giving a reading of the verses in Daniel that you refer to. There I wrote on Daniel 9:24: ‘Seventy cycles of seven years have been decreed for your people and your holy city (after which the city will be destroyed and the people will be exiled). This (destruction and exile) will serve to bring an end to the iniquity, and to cease sin, and to atone for transgression, and to bring the eternally righteous (Messiah), to fulfill the visions and prophets, and to aggrandize the holy of holies.<<< You are welcome, Rabbi Shmary Brownstein. Thank you for your kind reply. Still regarding this your last email, (1) about Biblical Chronology and the Jewish Calendar, (2)and also about Rabbi Moshe ben Nahman (Ramban, Nahmanides), who explains the significance of the six days of Creation, already answered and commented on in response your email some days ago. NOW(3) I am sending this further commentary specifically about the coming of the Messiah, the first point of your email above, as follows: Yes, we both have exchanged divergent messages on Daniel 9:24-27, and now, about the content of your email above, again, and honestly, am compelled to diverge once more because your thinking, Rabbi, is from a human perspective, unfortunately, not from GOD's perspective, But why do I say this? It is because the NATURE of sin of the sinners and their demonic iniquity would NEVER END by/through something like DESTRUCTION and EXILE as you say above, neither both of these two terrible events and chastisements can atone the transgression of rebels sinners, O no, Rabbi, absolutely not, as you know, according to the Law, without shedding of blood is no remission. You are a Master of Torah and know that the redemption of the sinner was made by the blood of goats and calves, the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer were sprinkling to the unclean to sanctify and to the purifying of the flesh. That said, your thinking is from a human pespective, the redemption and the ransom of the souls of sinners never were by destruction, nor will it ever be. This interpretation has nothing to do with GOD and His Word, the Tanakh, but merely a deceptive human theory. What does the Hebrew Bible say about the person of the true Messiah? GOD said: -> Behold My servant shall be despised and rejected by men, a man of pains and accustomed to illness, and as one who hides his face from us, despised and we held Him of no account. He comes up like a sapling before it, like a root from dry ground(dry ground-Israel-Genesis 1:9), He has neither form nor comeliness; and we saw Him that He had no appearance. Now shall we desire Him?->(This was and is the question among the people of Israel even after around 2750 years that our GOD revealed this celestial event through the prophet Isaiah). Oh what was revealed to Isaiah and Daniel among other prophets, it was and is that GOD would send the Messiah after 69 weeks of years after the rebuild of the Temple, what GOD revealed by the Tanakh, so it would never be to happen after around 2750 years, for sure. What the own GOD revealed to Moses was that He would send the Messiah in the END of the fourth Day, exactly in the turn from the fourth to the fifth Day, understand, or around 4000 years after Adam, and around 1500 years after MOSES, as MOSES said: Deuteronomy 18:15 & 18-19: ->15->A prophet from among you, from your brothers, like me, the Lord, your GOD will set up for you; you shall hearken to Him.-> (This prophecy of MOSES for the people of Israel was NEVER supposed to happen and LITERALLY be fulfilled only AFTER 3500 YEARS after him, oh no, of course). ->verses 18&19:->GOD said to MOSES: ->18-I will set up a prophet for them from among their brothers like you, and I will put My words into His mouth, and He will speak to them all that I command Him. ->19-And it will be, that whoever does not hearken to My words that He speaks in My name, I will exact [it] of him. ->That said be prepared or else get ready because there will be again severe punishments. The last were 1878 years of severe punishments, from 4070 to 5948, terrible, and now if Israel comes to belive in a false messiah instead Michael-Daniel 12:1-3, what will happen with the remnant of Israel? We must understand that exactly in this current time, in THIS TURN from the sixth to the seventh and last Day(6000 / 7000), GOD promised to the people of Israel to send Michael-Daniel 12:1-3, understand? Take a look. -> GOD said: Beware of him and obey him; do not rebel against him, for he will not forgive your transgression, for My Name is within him. The Jews are still waiting the Messiah instead Michael, so the door is opened among the people of Israel to the manifestation of a false messiah, an IMPOSTER, the History reveals in ancient time were false prophets, and during the diáspora esoteric and kabblistic false interpreters of Tanakh, now if any sinful MAN, a sinner and spiritist or esoteric MAN appears among the people of Israel making great signs and wonders by his spiritist belief, possessed by the spirit of necromancy saying from himself he is the messiah(small letter), this MAN is a false messiah and a great liar. Who comes now and is being sent by GOD to the people of Israel or to the Jewish people, this is Michael, this I say by the Tanakh, for me Word of GOD, not by the theory or doctrine of a mere and a sinner MAN, the mortal tree-Genesis 3:1 combined with Genesis 3:22 and 2:17. Get behind me Satan. Remember: GOD said: And it will be, that whoever does not hearken to My words that He speaks in My name, I will exact [it] of him.->That said be prepared or else get ready because there will be again severe punishments. The last were of 1878 years of severe punishments, from 4070 to 5948, terrible. ->AND NOW, will not it be for ever? May our Lord GOD, the GOD of Abraham, and GOD of Isaac, and GOD of Jacob/Israel bless us and keep us, and give us His Protection Amen (*). Creation - Discussion with Rabbi - Genesis 1 In the discussion below was used an interpretation something unknown not only by the Jewish Rabbis, but also by Christian Theologians. The discussion is by email, here's the last sent to the Rabbi. Hello Rabbi S. Brownstein By the Grace of the Lord In continuation of our Biblical... purebibleforum.com

 

[Oseas]

Around 2000 years ago, JESUS said to the Jews: Matthew 23:29-36:
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation. ~> How?

Around 4000 years ago or around 427 years after the flood, in the same place where today Israel is placed, actually now spiritually called SODOM and EGYPT->(JESUS said this 65 years after His ascension-Revelation 11:8), there there was a terrible destruction, and how it happened is described in Genesis 19:12-17, take a look, because in the same way, yes, of the same manner, it will again happen from now on, as it is determined to happen again even now, from now on, as our Lord JESUS warned:-> Luke 17:28-30 combined LITERALLY with Matthew 24:15-23, take a look.

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1948, but from now on? ...​

Israel as a whole suffered 1878 years of strong plagues and CURSES according Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of severe CURSES, and severe punishments / chastisements, around the whole world.

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1948, but from now on...

The rebel Israel was banned from their land and was spread around the whole world from year 70 AD until 1.948, therefore, Israel as a whole suffered 1878 years of strong plagues and CURSES according Deuteronomy 28:v.15 to 68, 53 verses of severe CURSES, and severe punishments / chastisements...

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[Oseas]

Rabbi Shmary Brownstein | - 8 de ago. de 2025, 17:30 ​

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Hi Oseas,

I never suggested that the Torah/Tanakh does not speak of the Messiah, or that Daniel does not speak of the Messiah. I said that the word “mashi’ah = messiah” is never used in the Tanakh to mean the ultimate redeemer of Israel. I also said that where Daniel 9 uses that word, it likewise does not mean THE messiah. I'm not sure where the confusion is. However, it would help if you acknowledged the points that I make and then either agree or tell me why you disagree, rather than simply repeating your position.

To sum up: 1) You’re entitled to your interpretation. 2) Your interpretation is an interpretation, not simply “what it says” in the Bible. You have your assumptions and methodologies for how you read the words of the Tanakh, which is fine, but does not make them correct or the only valid understanding. 3) The great rabbis of Israel, who cared deeply about the Torah and what it means, interpreted it according to their assumptions, and are certainly not straying further from the “obvious” meaning of Scripture than you are. 4) You should be careful not to insult other people just because you see things differently. 5) The concept of the Messiah is a Jewish concept, which comes from our oral tradition. It’s okay that Christians also believe in this concept, however they believe in it, but they should recognize that the word Messiah comes from the Jewish oral tradition, and that they should therefore take a more respectful attitude towards it.

All the best,

Rabbi Shmary Brownstein

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Hello Rabbi Shmary Brownstein

In the name of the Lord

Thank you for your kind message

Part 3:→Mashiach=Messiah:→ What does the prophecy in the Hebrew Bible reveal unto us?

Rabbi says: → I never suggested that the Torah/Tanakh does not speak of the Messiah, or that Daniel does not speak of the Messiah. I said that the word “mashi’ah = messiah” is never used in the Tanakh to mean the ultimate redeemer of Israel. I also said that where Daniel 9 uses that word, it likewise does not mean THE messiah. I'm not sure where the confusion is. However, it would help if you acknowledged the points that I make and then either agree or tell me why you disagree, rather than simply repeating your position. < < <

Okay, but there is not confusion. The Rabbis as religious Master and Guide of the Jews brings to the light these titles: Mashiach and Messiah.

What does the prophecy in the Hebrew Bible reveal unto us? Zechariah 4:12-14 HB - Hebrew Bible:

12And I raised my voice a second time and said to him, "What are the TWO olive branches beside the TWO golden vats that empty out the gold[en oil] from themselves?"

13And he spoke to me, saying, "Do you not know what these are?" And I said, "No, my lord."

14And he said, "These are the TWO ANOINTED ONES who stand before the Lord of all the earth." -> (Jewish people and Gentiles);

Honestly, dear Rabbi, Who are these TWO ANOINTED ONES?

The first anointed One is the Messiah:-> Isaiah 9:6 combined with Genesis 1:16-the Greater Light- , among many other biblical references. There are too many for me to list them all here. And He -the Messiah - came in the end of the fourth Day, or about 4000 years after Adam, or 2000 years ago. By the way, Gentile peoples throughout the world, throughout these last 2000 years, in every generation, have believed, and continue to believe, have preached, and continue to preach, JESUS is the promised Messiah. He is the MAIN Anointed One of the two Anointed Ones, as was revealed to the prophet Zechariah, and to us too.

The second anointed One is Michael->Isaiah 7:14-17,he is the Lesser Light-Genesis 1:16,and mainly Daniel 12:1-3,where is written,as follow: ->

1 Now at that time, Michael, the Great Prince, who stands over the children of your people, WILL BE SILENT, and it will be a time of DISTRESS that never was since a nation existed until that time(the current time), and at that time,(at the current time) your people (the remnant) will escape, everyone who is found inscribed in the book. ->(Michael, the Great Prince was with Joshua in Jericho(Joshua 5:13-15). Michael remained silent from 4070 to 5948, 1878 years of diaspora and there were many many punishments as written in Deuteronomy 28:15-68. From this time on, a new scenario or situation would emerge in Israel: therefore, the time of literal fulfillment of Daniel 12:1 has arrived, and Michael's presence causes great turmoil /distress in the current evil and demonic world, as we are seeing and have seen in recent years, and in these present days, and will continue, and worse days are at hand. Be prepared, or else get ready, actually only a remnant will be saved as was/is prophesied, i.e. everyone who is found inscribed in the book, of course.

2 And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awaken-these for eternal life, and those for disgrace, for eternal abhorrence.-> (There will be resurrection, as prophesied Isaiah: 26:19-21, take a look).

3 And the wise will shine like the brightness of the sky(Daniel 12:10), and those who bring the multitudes to righteousness like the stars forever and ever. And verse 10 says: They will be clarified and whitened, and many will be purified, and the wicked will pervert [them], and all the wicked will not understand, but the wise will understand.


Rabbi says: →To sum up: 1) You’re entitled to your interpretation. 2) Your interpretation is an interpretation, not simply “what it says” in the Bible. You have your assumptions and methodologies for how you read the words of the Tanakh, which is fine, but does not make them correct or the only valid understanding. 3) The great rabbis of Israel, who cared deeply about the Torah and what it means, interpreted it according to their assumptions, and are certainly not straying further from the “obvious” meaning of Scripture than you are. 4) You should be careful not to insult other people just because you see things differently. 5) The concept of the Messiah is a Jewish concept, which comes from our oral tradition. It’s okay that Christians also believe in this concept, however they believe in it, but they should recognize that the word Messiah comes from the Jewish oral tradition, and that they should therefore take a more respectful attitude towards it. < < <

Again, I do not do any literal interpretation of the Tanakh or simply by the letter, but by the Spirit manifested by/in the TRUE prophets of the Lord, therefore, it has nothing to do with assumptions or speculations, but revelations. As I already have said before, in these last 2000 years all Gentile nations have believed and belive JESUS was/is the Messiah, the anointed One(Daniel 9:25 combined with Isaiah 53:8), and that He was CUT OFF after the week 69-> Isaiah 53:8-> “he was CUT OFF from the land of the living; because of the transgression of my people”.

As you know, dear Rabbi, and also all Christians believers, in the time of the Law and Prophets, time called Old Testament, most of the kings of Israel were idolaters and believed in demonic false prophets who rose up among the people, and the people worshipped their horrendous idols, but the true prophets were murdered, then GOD never sent more prophets, the Temples were destroyed/demolished, and Israel stayed without nation for 1878 years, so the Christian believers are worried that the current Israel become to believe in false messiah, as they believed in false prophets in ancient time. So with the appearance of a false messiah the prophecy of Daniel 12:11 about the last week, the last seven years of this CURRENT SATANIC WORLD, Daniel 9:27, it will fulfill literally: -> there will be great abomination, a desolation of the abomination. ->(God forbid).​

The righteous Judgment of God is written in the Hebrew Bible. Israel is Judged by the Word of GOD-Deuteronomy 28, that is the Hebrew Bible, not only Israel, but all the Gentile nations also are Judged by God’s Word, and punished severely after the condemnation of them. Isaiah 1:1-5 and Isaiah 9:14-16, and also 33:10-17 take a look.

All the best,
Oseas (Hosea)

The one who cares with Truth