Steven Avery
Administrator
CARM
https://forums.carm.org/threads/what-were-the-best-arguments-for-i-john-5-7.20394/#post-1572985
1 John 5:6-9 (AV)
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ;
not by water only, but by water and blood.
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,
because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
The basic Latin usage, many hundreds of manuscripts, Old Latin and Vulgate, and c. 100 Bible commentaries from church writers extant, is one solid leg. There are many early solid commentaries in the fourth century, like Potamius of Lisbon, Priscillian and Isaac the Jew. Some usages were in doctrinal controversies, others were more usage en passant.
There are super-evidences, each one of which alone clinches authenticity.
1) Cyprian's Unity of the Church, and Ad Jubaianus
2) Jerome's Vulgate Prologue - points to early Greek manuscripts with the verse and discusses the tendency to omit the verse
3) The Council of Carthage of 484 where hundreds of bishops from a wide Mediterranean region countered the "Arians" under Huneric, expressly and clearly utilizing the verse as the foundation of faith. They could only do this if the verse was in the Bibles on both "sides" since there was severe persecution of the orthodox.
4) stylistic and grammatical and "internal" evidences.
There are many one major one is the solecism that exists in the short Greek text with only the earthly witnesses. The idea that the original Greek text had the solecism but it was corrected by translation from a Latin interpolation is simply incredible to the max.
Hope that is a helpful start!
https://forums.carm.org/threads/what-were-the-best-arguments-for-i-john-5-7.20394/#post-1572985
1 John 5:6-9 (AV)
This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ;
not by water only, but by water and blood.
And it is the Spirit that beareth witness,
because the Spirit is truth.
For there are three that bear record in heaven,
the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost:
and these three are one.
And there are three that bear witness in earth,
the spirit, and the water, and the blood:
and these three agree in one.
If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater:
for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son.
The basic Latin usage, many hundreds of manuscripts, Old Latin and Vulgate, and c. 100 Bible commentaries from church writers extant, is one solid leg. There are many early solid commentaries in the fourth century, like Potamius of Lisbon, Priscillian and Isaac the Jew. Some usages were in doctrinal controversies, others were more usage en passant.
There are super-evidences, each one of which alone clinches authenticity.
1) Cyprian's Unity of the Church, and Ad Jubaianus
2) Jerome's Vulgate Prologue - points to early Greek manuscripts with the verse and discusses the tendency to omit the verse
3) The Council of Carthage of 484 where hundreds of bishops from a wide Mediterranean region countered the "Arians" under Huneric, expressly and clearly utilizing the verse as the foundation of faith. They could only do this if the verse was in the Bibles on both "sides" since there was severe persecution of the orthodox.
4) stylistic and grammatical and "internal" evidences.
There are many one major one is the solecism that exists in the short Greek text with only the earthly witnesses. The idea that the original Greek text had the solecism but it was corrected by translation from a Latin interpolation is simply incredible to the max.
Hope that is a helpful start!