dual addressing - the blunder accusation bus
Hi,
Just to respond to one blunder accusation.
It was falsely implied that I gave a number of verses as Granville Sharp Rule examples that are not. Notice, however, that the verses were given specifically to show the consistent writing style of dual addressing common in New Testament writing.
Which is a very significant part of understanding the whole controversy on the GSR verses. Dual addressing is the norm of New Testament style. Identity verses are, as is well known, not the style. And all claims (like John 20:28 which is a different two nouns but is related by context) are far from straightforward and limited to, outside of the GSR controversy, a couple of verses.
This is why the whole GSR controversy arose, it was an attempt to fabricate eight new identify verses out of sheer cloth, and the new mistranslation was pre-designed for a particular Christological apologetic purposes.
Even if you like the particular Christological position, any sensible Bible student will reject the text tampering, even when defended by the law firm of Special and Pleading.
I'll see if I can find the original source as well.
This can show you very clearly what happens when there are those who are obsessed without substance go into railing accusation mode. In point of fact, everything I said on this aspect of the verses was 100% accurate.
And in general, when I make an error, I am happy to make a correction, and that does happen at times. However, absolutely nothing was inaccurate here.
One of the ironies here is that an atomistic seminarian involved in piddle-Greek may not even realize that the normal style of addressing is significant! See above about forest-trees-twigs.
However, I do appreciate that the dual addressing element was brought in the discussion, so I will bring the verses here that demonstrate the stylistic consistency.
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... the pure Bible of the two complementary verses of Peter's salutation:
2 Peter 1:1
Simon Peter, a servant and an apostle of Jesus Christ,
to them that have obtained like precious faith with us
through the righteousness of God and our Saviour Jesus Christ:
2 Peter 1:2
Grace and peace be multiplied unto you through the knowledge of God,
and of Jesus our Lord,
Is very common throughout the epistles, with a powerful and clear consistency.
Romans 1:7
To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints:
Grace to you and peace from God our Father,
and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:3
Grace be unto you, and peace,
from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Corinthians 1:2
Grace be to you and peace from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Galatians 1:3
Grace be to you and peace from God the Father,
and from our Lord Jesus Christ,
Ephesians 1:2
Grace be to you, and peace, from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Philippians 1:2
Grace be unto you, and peace,
from God our Father,
and from the Lord Jesus Christ.
Colossians 1:2
To the saints and faithful brethren in Christ which are at Colosse:
Grace be unto you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus,
unto the church of the Thessalonians
which is in God the Father and in the Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Thessalonians 1:2
Grace be unto you, and peace,
from God our Father,
and the Lord Jesus Christ.
2 Thessalonians 1:1
Paul, and Silvanus, and Timotheus,
unto the church of the Thessalonians
in God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
1 Timothy 1:1
Paul, an apostle of Jesus Christ
by the commandment of God our Saviour,
and Lord Jesus Christ,
which is our hope;
1 Timothy 1:2
Unto Timothy,
my own son in the faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace,
from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
2 Timothy 1:2
To Timothy, my dearly beloved son:
Grace, mercy, and peace,
from God the Father and Christ Jesus our Lord.
Titus 1:4
To Titus, mine own son after the common faith:
Grace, mercy, and peace,
from God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ our Saviour.
Philemon 1:3
Grace to you, and peace,
from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
All these verses have the same apostolic grammatical sense of addressing God and the Lord Jesus Christ. The same basic relational aspect is in :
Titus 2:13
Looking for that blessed hope,
and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
... With appreciation to Granville Penn (1761-1844) who put these verses together to help demonstrate Bible understanding and consistency.
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Psalm 119:140
Thy word is very pure:
therefore thy servant loveth it.
Yours in Jesus,
Steven Avery