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  1. Default apparatus rigging

    Sister threads:

    Romans 8:1 - the Origen reference - apparatus rigging - "who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit."
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showth...he-Spirit-quot

    Pericope Adulerae - truly scripture - apparatus rigging (where Daniel Wallace got tricked by the apparatus)
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?465-Pericope-Adulerae-truly-scripture-apparatus-rigging
    This will be a thread to coalesce a lot of information.

    Post #3 is brought over from:
    https://purebible-textualvariants.pb...igging%20Games

    Facebook is currently the main spot:
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...6713837420500/
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    apparatus rigging

    Any good thinker will become a "conspiracy theory" proponent if you study the textual criticism history and praxis.
    Here is one example.

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    From the Department of Textual Circularity

    The Profile Method for the Classification and Evaluation of Manuscript Evidence, as Applied to the Continuous Greek Text of the Gospel of Luke (1982)
    Chapter III - The Quest for Text Classification
    Frederik Wisse
    https://books.google.com/books?id=4wtlt2R6YsUC&pg=PA19

    2. Aland's Thousand Readings p. 21

    Hutton’s approach has much in common with that of Kurt Aland.9 Aland also is not interested in the Byzantine text as such, but only in MSS which significantly diverge from the Byzantine text. An improvement on Hutton is that Aland no longer works with a Western text-type. If we understand him correctly — the description of his “1000 cursives examined in 1000 passages with a view to evaluate their text” has not been published — Aland has selected his 1000 passages from places where the Byzantine text differs from non-Byzantine MSS. In the light of Hutton’s problems of defining his triple readings, one would like to know how Aland determined what is a Byzantine reading and what is not. This crucial question awaits further word from Aland.

    Also unanswered is the question whether Aland’s thousand readings will determine only whether a MS is Byzantine, or perhaps also what it is if it is not Byzantine. Thus it is not certain whether we are dealing here with a tool for the classification of minuscules or with a rough selection instrument for MSS important enough, i.e. non-Byzantine enough, to be included in a future critical apparatus. It certainly is the latter, but hopefully it is a great deal more. - p. 21
    So much of their effort is designed to denigrate Byzantine manuscripts, to supply some sort of support of their corrupt Critical Text.

    "non-Byzantine enough, to be included in a future critical apparatus"

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    Last edited by Steven Avery; 11-11-2018 at 12:49 PM.

  3. Default 2013 notes on apparatus rigging

    Some notes from 2013, in PBWorks, that should be coalesced with the current Facebook KingJamesBibleDebate (and maybe PureBible) threads.

    Apparatus Rigging Games

    Let's look at a few additional aspects of the apparatus rigging.

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    Apparatus Rigging #1

    Apparatus Rigged to Aland's Category Anti-Byz Circularity

    Even Metzger and Ehrman note the apparatus-category circularity .. a circularity that is fundamental to the apparatus deception, as in the following lie:

    UBS-4
    "they provide the only tool presently available for classifying the whole manuscript tradition of the New Testament on an objective statistical basis"

    About this "objective statistical basic", Metzger and Ehrman comment:

    The Early Text of the New Testament
    edited by Charles E. Hill, Michael J. Kruger
    The Early Text of the Catholic Epistles
    James Keith Elliott

    https://books.google.com/books?id=tTnRzXcVGGYC&pg=PA209

    Metzger and Ehrman
    The categories given by Aland and Aland to manuscripts (I, II etc.)] do not assist researchers interested in knowing which family groups have been established based on the Teststellen. Moreover there is a peculiar kind of circularity in this approach to classification since if one of the purposes in grouping witnesses is to assist in establishing the 'original text' it makes little sense to prejudge the issue by classifying witnesses precisely by how well they attest the original text! - The Text of the New Testament, 4th ed, 2005, p. 238

    Showing that the famous Hortian maxim is, in practice, discarded.

    "Knowledge of documents should precede final judgment upon readings"
    http://books.google.com/books?id=igA3AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA543

    The modern textual theorist is told that they really are supposed to only have full knowledge of non-Byzantine documents, and this is accomplished by the experts in Germany and America who say:

    "I'm from the textual apparatus group and I'm here to help you"

    Although the focus of the last posts is on the Greek uncial rigging, we see that the problem is pervasive throughout the apparatus. A circular bias against the Byzantine readings causes those readings to be marginalized (i.e. hundreds of mss placed in Byz without indicating the numerical support) or omitted from the apparatus entries (many uncials, and also early cursives) to give the false appearance of relatively greater support for minority and ultra-minority Vaticanus-primacy readings.

    The new discovery was that Byz can include many uncials, something I think most people who look at a NA-27 or UBS-3 apparatus, at least in the context of being placed in a paper for a verse analysis, do not understand. Similarly, as Jonathan pointed out, the early cursives that are Byz are hidden
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    Apparatus Rigging #2

    Apparatus Rigged by Removing Gothic Textline

    Bruce Metzger was puzzled by what can be seen as another type of earlier rigging of the apparatus.

    Reminiscences of an Octogenarian (1995)
    Bruce M. Metzger
    http://books.google.com/books?id=W8RxfQMJWScC&pg=PT50
    On the negative side was the elimination, for some unexplained reason, of evidence of the Gothic version, made by Ulfilas about AD 385.

    Here is some of what we know of the Gothic, it is generally an early pointer to the Byz and TR text.

    As regards the New Testament, scholars generally agree that the type of text represented in the Gothic version is basically the Antiochian or Syrian form of text with a certain number of Western and non-Western readings embedded in it.... The Gothic version, therefore, appears to be the oldest extant representative of the Lucianic recension, despite subsequent infiltration of readings from the Old Latin version. -
    The Lucianic Recension of the Greek Bible, 1963, p. 28
    Chapters in The History of New Testament Textual Criticism,
    Bruce Manning Metzger

    All investigators agree (e.g. Westcott and Hort, von Soden, Streitberg, Nestle, Streeter, Kenyon, Friedrichsen, et al.) that it [the Gothic Bible] is basically a Syrian Antiochian form of text. It is, therefore, the oldest extant representative of the Lucianic or Antiochian type of text (Metzger, The Early Versions of the New Testament, pp. 384-385) - quote taken from http://watch.pair.com/TR-16-old-latin-gothic.html

    In the 4th and 5th centuries the Gothic language using the term in its widest sense must have spread over the greater part of Europe together with the north coast of Africa. (Hugh Chisolm, Encyclopedia Brittanica, 1910)
    http://books.google.com/books?id=dzgOAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA276

    While we can pass over the Lucian recension nonsense, you can see that the early Gothic would be embarrassing to the Hortian approach, and we see that it was slipped out of the apparatus. Afaik, this is the only such versional line subtraction in the modern Critical Text apparatus history. (Is there another possible reason .. conceivably .. but where is the response to Metzger? It would be fascinating to know how many Gothic readings were removed.)

    Maybe an innate sense of fairness in Bruce Metzger desired the minority Vaticanus readings to be supported by tricks like word-parsing and special pleading logic about scribal habits, rather than blatant rigging.

    Incidentally, this is from one of the only writers who noted this omission and the Metzger concern:

    Students who had a corrupt UBS [United Bible Society] Greek New Testament in its earlier (1st-3rd) editions could read in the notes, buried at the bottom of the page in its critical apparatus, references documenting the affinity of the Gothic and the KJV texts. However, this fact weighed too heavily in favor of the King James Bible. It proved that the most ancient version of the Bible did not match the new versions. The now current UBS 4th edition has omitted these most important references to the Gothic edition. Even Bruce Metzger, an editor for the UBS text, admits the new edition's critical error in dropping the references to the Gothic Bible. (continues with quote from Octogenarian) -- Gail Riplinger, In Awe of Thy Word, 2004, Chapter 26, p. 969

    While Riplinger editorializes a bit, she is the only writer I know who noted this rigging and the Metzger concern. And I will not pass up her notice due to a genetic fallacy approach, not when the issue is so fundamental and missed by so many.
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    Apparatus Rigging #3

    Apparatus Rigging even includes the Papyri - "alien Byzantine influence"

    Let us start by another example of how pervasive is the apparatus rigging:

    The Early Text of the New Testament
    Charles E. Hill, Michael J. Kruger
    http://books.google.com/books?id=44JuxrsjnJsC&pg=PA64
    All but one of the papyri in my survey are graded by the Alands as category I, that is, according to p. 106, 'of special quality' by virtue of their
    age. Only P81 is category II because of alien Byzantine influence! (from Das Neue Testament auf Papyrus)

    Granted, I am going on Kruger on this, and would really like to have the German words. Note that there are other papyri that are other categories, due to lateness or being hard to read or other reasons, not in the Hill-Kruger survey, which is P9, P20, P23, P72, P78, P81.

    We can remember that Aland takes Metzger apart for his anachronistic approach to papyri and text-types,:

    The Text of the New Testament (1995)
    Kurt and Barbara Aland
    http://books.google.com/books?id=2pYDsAhUOxAC&pg=PA59
    ....Descriptions in such terms as "mixed text," "partly Alexandrian, partly Western (pre-Caesarean) text." etc.. to describe manuscripts of a period when these groups had not yet developed and could hardly be "mixed" contribute nothing to clear thinking.

    The inconsistency and hypocrisy is mind-boggling. While the German NA experts properly point out difficulties in anachronistic textual grouping and comparing of papyri, when done by Metzger, when they want to marginalize a papyrus they do so because of "alien Byzantine influence". This is also part of a jet-black pot-and-kettle battle.

    Here is one of the Aland references to P81 as category II.

    Der Text Des Neuen Testaments (1995)
    Kurt Aland, Barbara Aland
    http://books.google.com/books?id=2pYDsAhUOxAC&pg=PA101
    P81 ... 1995
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    Apparatus Rigging #4

    HOW TO HIDE EVIDENCES ---> "Integrated into the Network" (text-geek speak)

    Notice that NA-28 follows the same idea to consciously rig .. whatever is Byz .. clump it together with other Byz evidences and hide it:

    The Revision of the Catholic Epistles according to the Editio Critica Maior
    Michael Holmes
    http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.blogspot.com/2013/02/presentation-of-na28-sbl-chicago.html
    Core witnesses of the Byzantine text are integrated into the network. The ECM Byz is represented by seven witnesses with a pure Byzantine text (these representatives changes from letter to letter).

    Thus, they will even make it very hard for you to know what they hid. And they feel their job is done because the supports for the TR-Byz text is "integrated into the network" == deceptive geek-speak for "hidden".
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    Apparatus Rigging #5

    Collate only the Manuscripts that might support Vaticanus, ignore the Byzantine

    Novum Testamentum Graecum Editio Critica Maior: - An Evaluation
    Bart D. Ehrman
    http://www.reltech.org/TC/v03/Ehrman1998.html
    The Introduction... states that the reasoned selection of 182 mss "guarantees reliably" that the apparatus contains all the known readings which have appeared in the history of the text from its earliest beginnings through the formation and final establishment of the Byzantine text. But I suspect that the guarantee is a bit premature. For as Prof. Aland has pointed out, not every ms of James was collated in full in preparation for the edition. Instead, the Institute fully collated only those later mss which they judged to contain non-Byzantine forms of the text (along with a few clear representatives of the Byzantine tradition).... Mss were collated in full for these 98 passages; mss that varied from Majority text more than 10% in these units of variation were the ones chosen.
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    More Tidbits On the Apparatus Question

    "Witnesses of the first order ..." was another part of all this, it is the equivalent of the highest category
    "whose claim to attention rests on the quality of their text, their age, or the circumstances of their discovery"

    NA27
    Furthermore, minuscules which are of importance for the history or establishment of the text have been included among the consistently cited witnesses for the first time. Consistently cited witnesses of the first order include
    the minuscules 33, 1739. 1881 (in the Pauline letters) and 2427;

    This was similar to the Category rigging, and was changed in NA-28

    The distinction between consistently cited witnesses of the first order and of the second order has been eliminated.
    http://blog.olivetree.com/2013/04/02/whats-new-in-the-na28/

    Jack Moorman is one of the few who has pointed out some of the apparatus and manuscript games:

    However, the strange thing about it is, it is very, very difficult to get a complete list. You can for the papyri, but not quite so easily for the uncials and certainly not for the miniscules or for the lectionaries.
    http://www.sermonaudio.com/viewtranscript.asp?sermonid=714081237181

    Ironically, Moorman was just talking about a list of manuscripts, and the greater problem is what is hid away from the apparatus, even uncials and early cursives.

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    Notice that while Maurice Robinson properly calls the modern text biased in an anti-Byzantine manner:

    "a presuppositional bias against the claims of the Byzantine Textform"
    http://byztxt.com/

    The day-to-day specifics of putting the bias into the underlying scholarly apparatus he does not seem to address.

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    Archived at:

    [TC-Alternate-list] apparatus rigging games
    Steven Avery - April 11, 2013
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TC-Alternate-list/message/5652


    From: Steven Avery
    A thread on the sister forum is uncovering a rather amazing fact about the NA and UBS apparatus, and to some extent apparatuses that utilize their information. We have known for a long time that
    Byz can hide 500 or 1000 cursives, and this is a major aspect of the Hortian fog approach, to make the mass of Greek manuscripts into a minor aspect. (Why not at least show the number of mss? Oh, we could discuss the question of which cursives are shown, but let's let that go by today).

    Mark 7:19, is "Jesus declared all foods clean" in the original Greek manuscripts?
    http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...45#post3545845

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    [TC-Alternate-list] UBS-NA Critical Text apparatus - none dare call it rigging
    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TC-Alternate-list/message/5646
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  4. Default Maurice Robinson - “It’s All About Variants”—Unless “No Longer Written’’

    Maurice Robinson put out a paper in 2017 that is essentially about apparatus rigging (although he does not use the term.)

    The paper starts with a quote from Daniel Buck:

    “It’s amazing how many textual critics can carry on a discussion of a variant unit in total ignorance of how the mass of manuscripts read. And why? Because its not mentioned in their trusted apparatus.”
    I'll plan on having more on this paper.

    “It’s All About Variants”—Unless “No Longer Written’’

    —Maurice Robinson
    https://books.google.com/books?id=cmZUDgAAQBAJ&pg=PA116
    p. 116-153

    So I may have to add to:

    PureBibleForum

    Apparatus Rigging Games
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?454-apparatus-rigging

    e.g. Maurice makes excellent points on the very selection of what variant gets into the apparatus. They may include a rinky-dink article question that has little difficulty, but omit a major Byzantine variant that has 1,000 Greek mss in support.
    Last edited by Steven Avery; 11-11-2018 at 12:50 PM.

  5. Default Mark 7:19 and apparatus rigging

    This was an example discussion:

    Mark 7:19 - (I'll plan on documenting this discussion better, it was an example of uncials being hid.

    > Daniel Buck
    > You give too much credit to the support for the masculine. X is not a true uncial--it's a cursive commentary with text in 'modern' capital letters. And you double-list Theta by name and abbreviation. So the split is really more like 9-12.

    Steven
    The note on the double theta is appreciated, I was trying to work with many different lists and missed that.

    The question of X is more for the apparatus folks, since they gave it the uncial letter, however I will keep it in mind.

    In the later post, the split ended up 12-14, and a bit in favor of the TR-Byz reading if you include early cursives, as pointed out by Jonathan.

    What is fascinating about Mark 7:19 is that, while doctrinally important, from a straight evidentiary point of view the evidence is pretty well split. It is one of the variants where John William Burgon flipped his position. In fact, imo the biggest problems of the CT reading is that it is so textually unlikely. If an author wanted to say that the words were a Markan interpolation (making Jesus a sinner while he walked Jerusalem and Judea and Galilee), the way the text is in the CT is extremely dysfunctional. Any extra push to the CT side in my writing was purely accidental and temporary.

    And it just turns out to be a nice visible verse for watching the rigging of the apparatus in action.

    Mark 7:19
    Because it entereth not into his heart,
    but into the belly,
    and goeth out into the draught,
    purging all meats?

    From what I can see, the textual community is rather blasé about the fact that even their chief apparatus is rigged to help the Hortian variants, against the expressed pure goal:


    "knowledge of documents should precede final judgement upon readings"

    And even those supporting the TR and Byz have been too quiet, although I probably could find some objections of note, such as to the whole concept of hiding hundreds of mss in Byz, and many readers not really understanding that little game. In my experience, the ECW are often biased rather heavily as well, with there being a rare exception where the error is the other way (e.g. UBS-3 had Cassian for the heavenly witnesses).

  6. Default apparatus rigging gets noticed en passant

    I find it particularly interesting that attention is being paid to the 6th c. purple codices. It seems to me an omission in the NA apparatus that whereas N/022 is a constant witness (albeit secondary, in that it is not explicitly cited except where it disagrees with the Majority), neither O/023 nor Σ/042 are constant witnesses. My point is not that they should be cited for the sake of completeness, since their text is virtually identical to N, but that they are sometimes extant where N is not extant, so they are to that extent complementary to N and therefore ought to be treated the same way.
    http://evangelicaltextualcriticism.b...f-gospels.html

    The whole system has the purpose of excluding pure Bible readings.

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