June 3, 2017

This thread will have a few posts pointing to and reviewing various articles and discussions, in addition to what is on the threads in this
Jehovah or "yahweh" ?
forum and the Homestead Heritage forum.


Pure Bible Forum

Jehovah or "yahweh" ?

One of the most salient points is here:

the simplicity of the real issues

And also:

theophoric names begin with Jeho - chart !

The Jehovah express can simply understand those basics!


Facebook - PureBible group

PureBible - April 30, 2017
yahweh == jove/jupiter the pagan devil

PureBible - Dec 2016
Jehovah and "yahweh" summary (all brought here)

PureBible - Dec 2016
Can anyone honestly believe that this is a coincidence?

PureBible - Sept 2016
"the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"

PureBible - July 2016
Peter Heisey discussion (from Thomas Ross)

PureBible - Aug, 2015
JEHOVAH or oy-veh

PureBible - Aug, 2015
Worst non-paraphrase NT

PureBible - March, 2015
** Oy-vey is a No-thing.**

Individual Posts

JEHOVAH or oy-veh - Aug 22, 2015
My History with the Sacred or Qodesh namers


Jehovah - notes on Past, Present, Future tenses


Nehemia Gordon
"Have you been praying to Jupiter" - Feb, 2015

The audio can be found behind his modest contribution wall, and sometimes here and there on the net.

And I plan to do a summary review, combined with time-stamps from the talk.

extracts from "Praying to Jupiter" by Nehemia Gordon

Facebook - May, 2017 discussion thread on Nehemia's timeline

Facebook - Jan, 2017 - PureBible group

Interestingly, until about 1997, hardly anybody noted the simple vocalization truth.
yahweh = jove
jove-pater is jupiter
calling on yahweh is calling upon the pagan devil jupiter, Jupiter is father yahweh
That means that a prayer to yahweh is a prayer to a devil.

Nehemia makes this exceedingly clear, here are two quotes:

"Have you been praying to Jupiter?"
"The greatest trick Jupiter ever pulled was convincing the world he isn't worshiped."

(more commentary on Nehemiah in short thread.)
Interviews - Douglas Hamp - Feb 14, 2017
Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report

Nicely done discussion / interview! If you are looking for a particular spot, I have a summary on PureBible on Facebook: Nehemia Gordon and Douglas Hamp
Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report
In the review post, I tried to catch a lot of the good quotes and spots with time-stamps.
What was missing?
“Have you been Praying to Jupiter”? - by Nehemia Gordon Jove==Yahweh understanding...

(There are other interviews, e.g. with Michael Rood.)

Revealed! The Name of God (with Michael Rood & Nehemia Gordon) - Shabbat Night Live - 10/21/16
Nehemiah begins at 33:25, the good section is around 40:00

Gesenius page showing how he actually used the Jupiter connection in favor of the pagan yahveh, placed on Pinterest by Nehemiah Gordon

"To give my own opinion, I suppose this word to be one of the most remote antiquity, perhaps of the same origin as Jovis, Jupiter, and transferred from the Egyptians to the Hebrews." Gesenius' Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon Old Testament Scriptures, translated by Tregelles, 1857, page 337. The words in brackets are the commentary of the translator.
[What an idea! God himself revealed this as his own name; the Israelites could never have received it from the Egyptians]...- Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, translator and commentary
The Gesenius conjectural blunder opens up the Egyptian and Latin paganism theories.

"Gesenius derives the name of Ihuh from a root huh, which root does not exist in Hebrew."—Gerald Massey

Ancient Egypt, the Light of the World: A Work of Reclamation and Restitution in Twelve Books, Volume 1
From a critic of Nehemia:

Nehemia Gordon and the Name of Yehovah
David Breetzke - Feb 11, 2013


Gerard Gertoux

THE NAME OF GOD YeHoWaH. ITS STORY, by Gérard Gertoux

The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is pronounced as it is Written I_Eh_oU_Ah. Simplified edition - 72 pages (2015)
Gerard Gertoux

The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is Pronounced as it is Written I Eh oU Ah: Its Story - 338 pages


Carl D. Franklin

"Yahweh is not the name of the God of the Old Testament. Its history can be traced back to the idolatrous worship of the Canaanite peoples who were a stumbling block to the children of Israel from the time they entered the Promised Land. The name Yahweh was well known to the worshipers of Baal, including the infamous Jezebel, under whose influence Baalism became the dominant religion in the land of Israel.

It is time to expose the demonic spirit behind the name Yahweh and to stop the spread of this name among those who profess to worship the God of the Bible."

Theological Research Report
Volume 6, Issue 26 - p. 48
May/June/July/August 2013
Carl D. Franklin
* Friends do not let friends call on yahweh. *

Facebook review of Carl D. Franklin material access


Carl D. Franklin, whose background is a Church of God group. The fact that some of his other stuff is a bit oddball is not relevant, this thread is not doing genetic fallacy, we are simply interested in sound Jehovah - Tetragram scholarship.

First, his material is in a number of papers, 3 distinct sources on the net.


In Defense of Jehovah
An Analysis of the Article
"FACTS and MYTHS About the Sacred Name" (Aug, 9, 1998)
Carl D. Franklin


Debunking the Myths of Sacred Namers
Carl D. Franklin
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking1.pdf - Dec 9. 1997
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking2.pdf - Dec 24, 1997
http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking3.pdf - April 20, 1999


Theological Research Reportv- 2012-2013
Carl D. Franklin
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...ew?usp=sharing #23
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...ew?usp=sharing #24
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...N1Q3JQNzg/view #25
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...hlYnZmLUE/view #26


There are many issues, especially historical, that Carl D. Franklin handles better than anyone else.

ADDED: 10/26/2015

Finding some of this material was helped by a website by:

The Proper Pronunciation of the Sacred Name
Annoyed Pinoy (James..) - April 18,2013


David Paul Drach

Facebook discussion

Incidentally, my sense so far is that Drach is one of the strongest overall presentations of the linguistics and the basic presentation, including theophoric names (p. 480), in French:

David Paul Drach (1791-1868)

defending Jehova.

De l'Harmonie entre I'Eglise et la Synagogue Vol 1 (1844)
David Paul Drach

Starting in ch. 3 p. 318. Lots of stuff is in p. 473-490.


1903 Jewish Quarterly Review by Joseph Haim Levy. He takes apart the "vowels of Adonai" position quite adroitly.

Jewish Quarterly Review (1903)
The Tetra(?)grammaton
Joseph Haim Levy

"Now, I am not saying that this covers all the issues. I have yet to see a really good analysis of just that one issue. I think that Nehemia Gordon touches on it, and is capable of a fine short paper. If you see one, let me know!" - SA


Henry Clay Mabie (1847-1918)

"the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"

We can see Mabie as among the 7000 who did not bow the knee to Baal.

1 Kings 19:18
Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel,
all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal,
and every mouth which hath not kissed him.


My post on the Adrian Reland 1707 book with 10 papers.

Facebook - PureBible
Adriaan Reland work with many dissertations (Latin)
A key book, first published in 1707, by Adriaan Reland, is the :

Decas Exercitationum philologicarum de vera pronuntiatione Nominis Jehova impugnant, posteriores tuentur. Cum praefatione Hadriani Relandi.

The writers here are:

Adriaan Reland (1676-1718) (preface)

Johann Drusius (1550-1616)

Sixtus Amama (1593-1629)

Louis Cappel (1585-1658)

Johann Buxtorf (1564-1629)

(Written 1620 - the elder Buxtorf, as described here
https://books.google.com/books?id=1xyoBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA475 )

Johann Heinrich Alting (1583-1644)

Nicholas Fuller (1557-1626)

Thomas Gateker (1575-1654)

Johann Leusden (1624-1699)


Other Forums on the Net

Bible Criticism and History Forum
yahweh == jupiter

Apostolic Friends Forum - Jan, 2017
connecting dots - Acts 14 pagan Jupiter is yahweh


The Covenant Name of God: Jehovah or Yahweh?
Thomas Ross

".... one would also need to maintain that every name in the Bible that begins with part of the Tetragrammaton has also been corrupted. Jehoadah would really be something like Yahwadah; Jehoahaz would be Yahwahaz; Jehoash would be Yahwahash, and so on. Furthermore, no theophoric names anywhere in Scripture end with an eh, the expected ending were the Name pronounced Yahweh. Similarly, the word Hallelujah and the Greek Alleluia validate the ah at the end of the Divine Name."
Scott Jones


Who is this Deity Named Yahweh?
Thomas M. Strouse

My Facebook Review


Who is Yahweh?
John Hinton

My Facebook Review

John gives more on the linguistics and covers a few additional points.
What I found most interesting is some quotes from In Awe of Thy Word by Gail Riplinger. As is my style, I plan to do some checking on the points made.


Chris Clark
Masoretic mss listed and discussed.

Chris is helping to document the situation with elements like the Masoretic Text mss which have been examined by Nehemia and others.


Additional Resources (often a mixed bag, doctrinally)

Jonathan Lankford

Gary Mink

Cohen Reckhart

Hope of Israel Ministries


Jupiter Sound-Identity Connection to Yahweh exposed
in the 1990s and early 2000s
Yahweh: god of the Christians
John David Clark, Sr. - March, 1997

Patrick Lawrence (2005)

Eliyah forum


Latin Discussion
similarity of vocalization of IOVE and Yahweh



Wilfried Peezenkamp

Notes - from Facebook or PBF find my other quote about the fundamental significance
Jesus is the name above quotes
George F. Moore
August Tholuck 1834
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