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  1. Default Jehovah and "yahweh" Resource Central

    June 3, 2017

    This thread will have a few posts pointing to and reviewing various articles and discussions, in addition to what is on the threads in this
    :
    Jehovah or "yahweh" ?
    forum and the Homestead Heritage forum.

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    Pure Bible Forum

    Jehovah or "yahweh" ?
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/forumd...ovah-or-yahweh

    One of the most salient points is here:


    the simplicity of the real issues
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showth...he-real-issues

    And also:


    theophoric names begin with Jeho - chart !
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showth...th-Jeho-chart-!

    The Jehovah express can simply understand those basics!

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    Facebook - PureBible group

    PureBible - April 30, 2017
    yahweh == jove/jupiter the pagan devil
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...3124964446056/

    PureBible - Dec 2016
    Jehovah and "yahweh" summary (all brought here)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...4501760641711/


    PureBible - Dec 2016
    Can anyone honestly believe that this is a coincidence?
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...9046581187229/

    PureBible - Sept 2016
    "the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...4985025926719/

    PureBible - July 2016
    Peter Heisey discussion (from Thomas Ross)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...5058404252715/

    PureBible - Aug, 2015
    JEHOVAH or oy-veh
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...0654595026431/

    PureBible - Aug, 2015
    Worst non-paraphrase NT
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...0614018363822/

    PureBible - March, 2015
    ** Oy-vey is a No-thing.**
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...2322783859613/

    Individual Posts

    Facebook
    JEHOVAH or oy-veh - Aug 22, 2015
    My History with the Sacred or Qodesh namers

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...%3A%22R9%22%7D


    Jehovah - notes on Past, Present, Future tenses
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...%3A%22R9%22%7D


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    Nehemia Gordon
    "Have you been praying to Jupiter" - Feb, 2015
    https://www.facebook.com/NehemiaGord...53102371833629

    The audio can be found behind his modest contribution wall, and sometimes here and there on the net.

    And I plan to do a summary review, combined with time-stamps from the talk.

    PureBibleForum
    extracts from "Praying to Jupiter" by Nehemia Gordon
    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showth...&p=760#post760


    Facebook - May, 2017 discussion thread on Nehemia's timeline
    https://www.facebook.com/NehemiaGord...55284045138629

    Facebook - Jan, 2017 - PureBible group
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...3933187698568/

    Interestingly, until about 1997, hardly anybody noted the simple vocalization truth.
    .
    yahweh = jove
    jove-pater is jupiter
    ergo
    calling on yahweh is calling upon the pagan devil jupiter, Jupiter is father yahweh
    That means that a prayer to yahweh is a prayer to a devil.

    Nehemia makes this exceedingly clear, here are two quotes:

    "Have you been praying to Jupiter?"
    "The greatest trick Jupiter ever pulled was convincing the world he isn't worshiped."

    (more commentary on Nehemiah in short thread.)
    Interviews - Douglas Hamp - Feb 14, 2017
    Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iLMP...&feature=share


    Nicely done discussion / interview! If you are looking for a particular spot, I have a summary on PureBible on Facebook: Nehemia Gordon and Douglas Hamp
    Nehemia Gordon: How to Pronounce YHWH in Hebrew The Awakening Report
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...5007722257781/
    time-stamps
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...%3A%22R2%22%7D
    In the review post, I tried to catch a lot of the good quotes and spots with time-stamps.
    What was missing?
    “Have you been Praying to Jupiter”? - by Nehemia Gordon Jove==Yahweh understanding...
    
    (There are other interviews, e.g. with Michael Rood.)

    Revealed! The Name of God (with Michael Rood & Nehemia Gordon) - Shabbat Night Live - 10/21/16
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OINxigbPEBY#t=29m55s
    Nehemiah begins at 33:25, the good section is around 40:00

    Gesenius page showing how he actually used the Jupiter connection in favor of the pagan yahveh, placed on Pinterest by Nehemiah Gordon
    https://www.pinterest.com/pin/230105862191295670/

    "To give my own opinion, I suppose this word to be one of the most remote antiquity, perhaps of the same origin as Jovis, Jupiter, and transferred from the Egyptians to the Hebrews." Gesenius' Hebrew Chaldee Lexicon Old Testament Scriptures, translated by Tregelles, 1857, page 337. The words in brackets are the commentary of the translator.
    [What an idea! God himself revealed this as his own name; the Israelites could never have received it from the Egyptians]...- Samuel Prideaux Tregelles, translator and commentary
    The Gesenius conjectural blunder opens up the Egyptian and Latin paganism theories.

    "Gesenius derives the name of Ihuh from a root huh, which root does not exist in Hebrew."—Gerald Massey

    Ancient Egypt, the Light of the World: A Work of Reclamation and Restitution in Twelve Books, Volume 1
    https://books.google.com/books?id=3k4XAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA498
    From a critic of Nehemia:

    Nehemia Gordon and the Name of Yehovah
    David Breetzke - Feb 11, 2013
    http://scripturaltruth101.blogspot.c...f-yehovah.html


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    Gerard Gertoux

    THE NAME OF GOD YeHoWaH. ITS STORY, by Gérard Gertoux
    http://www.lifespurpose.net/divinename/NameofGod1.htm

    The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is pronounced as it is Written I_Eh_oU_Ah. Simplified edition - 72 pages (2015)
    Gerard Gertoux
    https://www.academia.edu/14029315/Th...lified_edition

    The Name of God Y.eH.oW.aH Which is Pronounced as it is Written I Eh oU Ah: Its Story - 338 pages
    http://www.amazon.com/Name-Y-eH-oW-a.../dp/0761822046


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    Carl D. Franklin

    "Yahweh is not the name of the God of the Old Testament. Its history can be traced back to the idolatrous worship of the Canaanite peoples who were a stumbling block to the children of Israel from the time they entered the Promised Land. The name Yahweh was well known to the worshipers of Baal, including the infamous Jezebel, under whose influence Baalism became the dominant religion in the land of Israel.

    It is time to expose the demonic spirit behind the name Yahweh and to stop the spread of this name among those who profess to worship the God of the Bible."

    Theological Research Report
    Volume 6, Issue 26 - p. 48
    May/June/July/August 2013
    Carl D. Franklin
    https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https...aegdCA12KAbpJD
    * Friends do not let friends call on yahweh. *

    Facebook review of Carl D. Franklin material access

    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...0654595026431/

    Carl D. Franklin, whose background is a Church of God group. The fact that some of his other stuff is a bit oddball is not relevant, this thread is not doing genetic fallacy, we are simply interested in sound Jehovah - Tetragram scholarship.

    First, his material is in a number of papers, 3 distinct sources on the net.

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    In Defense of Jehovah
    An Analysis of the Article
    "FACTS and MYTHS About the Sacred Name" (Aug, 9, 1998)
    Carl D. Franklin
    http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/indefense_Jehovah.pdf
    http://www.friendsofsabbath.org/Furt...se_Jehovah.pdf


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    Debunking the Myths of Sacred Namers
    Carl D. Franklin
    http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking1.pdf - Dec 9. 1997
    http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking2.pdf - Dec 24, 1997
    http://www.cbcg.org/franklin/debunking3.pdf - April 20, 1999

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    Theological Research Reportv- 2012-2013
    Carl D. Franklin
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...ew?usp=sharing #23
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...ew?usp=sharing #24
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...N1Q3JQNzg/view #25
    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B78...hlYnZmLUE/view #26

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    There are many issues, especially historical, that Carl D. Franklin handles better than anyone else.

    ADDED: 10/26/2015

    Finding some of this material was helped by a website by:


    The Proper Pronunciation of the Sacred Name
    Annoyed Pinoy (James..) - April 18,2013
    http://misclane.blogspot.com/2013/08/the-proper-pronunciation-of-sacred-name.html

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    David Paul Drach

    Facebook discussion
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...2%3A%22R%22%7D

    Incidentally, my sense so far is that Drach is one of the strongest overall presentations of the linguistics and the basic presentation, including theophoric names (p. 480), in French:


    David Paul Drach (1791-1868)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Paul_Drach

    defending Jehova.

    De l'Harmonie entre I'Eglise et la Synagogue Vol 1 (1844)
    David Paul Drach
    https://archive.org/stream/delharmonieentr00unkngoog#page/n356/mode/2up/

    Starting in ch. 3 p. 318. Lots of stuff is in p. 473-490.

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    1903 Jewish Quarterly Review by Joseph Haim Levy. He takes apart the "vowels of Adonai" position quite adroitly.

    Jewish Quarterly Review (1903)
    The Tetra(?)grammaton
    Joseph Haim Levy
    https://archive.org/stream/jewishquarterly03montgoog#page/n112/mode/2up

    "Now, I am not saying that this covers all the issues. I have yet to see a really good analysis of just that one issue. I think that Nehemia Gordon touches on it, and is capable of a fine short paper. If you see one, let me know!" - SA

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    Henry Clay Mabie (1847-1918)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...4985025926719/


    "the imagined pagan Yahweh of the destructive critics"

    We can see Mabie as among the 7000 who did not bow the knee to Baal.

    1 Kings 19:18
    Yet I have left me seven thousand in Israel,
    all the knees which have not bowed unto Baal,
    and every mouth which hath not kissed him.


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    My post on the Adrian Reland 1707 book with 10 papers.


    Facebook - PureBible
    Adriaan Reland work with many dissertations (Latin)
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...%3A%22R9%22%7D
    A key book, first published in 1707, by Adriaan Reland, is the :

    Decas Exercitationum philologicarum de vera pronuntiatione Nominis Jehova impugnant, posteriores tuentur. Cum praefatione Hadriani Relandi.
    1707
    https://books.google.com/books?id=dCNmAAAAcAAJ&g=PA1
    http://digital.bibliothek.uni-halle.de/id/1416384
    1709
    https://books.google.com/books?id=EE9gAAAAcAAJ&pg=PA1

    The writers here are:

    Adriaan Reland (1676-1718) (preface)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adriaan_Reland

    Johann Drusius (1550-1616)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_van_den_Driesche

    Sixtus Amama (1593-1629)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixtinus_Amama

    Louis Cappel (1585-1658)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Cappel

    Johann Buxtorf (1564-1629)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johannes_Buxtorf

    (Written 1620 - the elder Buxtorf, as described here
    https://books.google.com/books?id=1xyoBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA475 )

    Johann Heinrich Alting (1583-1644)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Heinrich_Alting

    Nicholas Fuller (1557-1626)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicholas_Fuller

    Thomas Gateker (1575-1654)
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Gataker

    Johann Leusden (1624-1699)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johann_Leusden

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    Other Forums on the Net


    Bible Criticism and History Forum
    yahweh == jupiter
    http://earlywritings.com/forum/viewt...hp?f=10&t=3050


    Apostolic Friends Forum - Jan, 2017
    connecting dots - Acts 14 pagan Jupiter is yahweh
    http://www.apostolicfriendsforum.com...ad.php?t=50557


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    The Covenant Name of God: Jehovah or Yahweh?
    Thomas Ross
    http://kentbrandenburg.blogspot.com/...ehovah-or.html

    ".... one would also need to maintain that every name in the Bible that begins with part of the Tetragrammaton has also been corrupted. Jehoadah would really be something like Yahwadah; Jehoahaz would be Yahwahaz; Jehoash would be Yahwahash, and so on. Furthermore, no theophoric names anywhere in Scripture end with an eh, the expected ending were the Name pronounced Yahweh. Similarly, the word Hallelujah and the Greek Alleluia validate the ah at the end of the Divine Name."
    Jehovah
    Scott Jones
    https://web.archive.org/web/20071218...s/jehovah1.htm

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    Who is this Deity Named Yahweh?
    Thomas M. Strouse
    http://www.deanburgonsociety.org/CriticalTexts/yahweh.htm
    http://www.geocentricity.com/bible/whoisyahweh.pdf

    My Facebook Review
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...%3A%22R4%22%7D

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    Who is Yahweh?
    John Hinton
    http://av1611.com/kjbp/ridiculous-kjv-bible-corrections/Yahweh-Jehova-YHVH.html

    My Facebook Review
    https://www.facebook.com/groups/pure...2%3A%22R%22%7D

    John gives more on the linguistics and covers a few additional points.
    What I found most interesting is some quotes from In Awe of Thy Word by Gail Riplinger. As is my style, I plan to do some checking on the points made.


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    Chris Clark
    https://www.facebook.com/notes/chris...4716010248935/
    Masoretic mss listed and discussed.

    Chris is helping to document the situation with elements like the Masoretic Text mss which have been examined by Nehemia and others.


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    Additional Resources (often a mixed bag, doctrinally)

    Jonathan Lankford

    Gary Mink

    Cohen Reckhart

    Hope of Israel Ministries
    http://www.hope-of-israel.org/GodsName.html

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    Jupiter Sound-Identity Connection to Yahweh exposed
    in the 1990s and early 2000s
    Yahweh: god of the Christians
    John David Clark, Sr. - March, 1997
    http://www.isaiah58.com/broadcasters/yahweh.htm

    Patrick Lawrence (2005)
    https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/...ns/topics/5473
    http://ancient-hebrew.proboards.com/...ng-name-yahweh

    Eliyah forum

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    Latin Discussion
    similarity of vocalization of IOVE and Yahweh
    http://latindiscussion.com/forum/lat...-yahweh.27878/

    b-hebrew

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    youtube
    Wilfried Peezenkamp
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oazE-CL06BA

    Notes - from Facebook or PBF find my other quote about the fundamental significance
    Jesus is the name above quotes
    George F. Moore
    August Tholuck 1834
    Topix
    Add Charts and pics



  2. Default AV verses with Jehovah and Jah

    Exodus 6:3
    And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob,
    by the name of God Almighty,
    but by my name JEHOVAH was I not known to them.

    Psalms 83:18
    That men may know that thou,
    whose name alone is JEHOVAH,
    art the most high over all the earth.


    Isaiah 12:2
    Behold, God is my salvation;
    I will trust, and not be afraid:
    for the LORD JEHOVAH is my strength and my song;
    he also is become my salvation.

    Isaiah 26:4
    Trust ye in the LORD for ever:
    for in the LORD JEHOVAH is everlasting strength:


    Genesis 22:14
    And Abraham called the name of that place Jehovah-jireh:
    as it is said to this day,
    In the mount of the LORD it shall be seen.


    Exodus 17:15
    And Moses built an altar,
    and called the name of it Jehovah-nissi:


    Judges 6:24
    Then Gideon built an altar there unto the LORD,
    and called it Jehovah-shalom:
    unto this day it is yet in Ophrah of the Abi-ezrites.

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    Psalm 68:4
    Sing unto God, sing praises to his name:
    extol him that rideth upon the heavens by his name JAH,
    and rejoice before him.
    Last edited by Steven Avery; 10-06-2017 at 10:03 PM.

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    Thanks for putting this together Steven!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ventura View Post
    Thanks for putting this together Steven!
    Most welcome! I’ll try for some expansion of this material in the days ahead. It is our responsibility before the Lord Jesus to affirm our pure scriptures, and to actively counter the plague of yahwehism.

    Nehemia just put out a talk about Hebraic souces .. “10 Rabbis...” that looks like it will be prime material.

    The two Zohar references are in a recent CARM thread, as well as the Facebook PureBible forum. Incredible!

    I’m limited on iPad right now, by Monday will try to have more done.

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