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  1. Default needed to study in Melbourne - Deane, Hodgkin, Stewart


    Letters.
    http://www.worldcat.org/title/letters/oclc/224729292

    Correspondence between Henry Deane and John Eliot Hodgkin relating to the forgeries by George Simonides. Two letters from Charles Stewart to Henry Deane. Reports on the Uranius of Simonides. A pamphlet 'Biographical memoir of Constantine Simonides, Dr PH, of Stageira, with a brief defence of the authenticity of his manuscripts' by Charles Stewart, London 1859. Another pamphlet 'Report of the Council of the Royal
    Society of Literature on some of the Mayer papyri and the palimsest ms. of Uranius belonging to M. Simonides with letters from MM. Pertz, Ehrenberg and Dindorf', London 1863.

    These letters could be helpful for a number of reasons.

    The biographical memoir is probably available through other sources, and salient points are mentioned in the 1862-1863 debates. The Report of the Royal Society may be available, and is likely only of moderate interest to the Simonides studies.

    What would be most helpful, and likely new, are:

    Correspondence between Henry Deane and John Eliot Hodgkin

    Two letters from Charles Stewart to Henry Deane.

    Steven Avery

  2. Default Manchester, England - Fry Collection


    The Fry collection: papers relating to B. W. Newton, S. P. Tregelles, F. W. Wyatt, A. C. Fry, and others, at the Christian Brethren Archive of the John Rylands University Library of Manchester


    See the Stunt paper on Tregelles. This archive may have some good material.

  3. Default British Library


    Newspaper cuttings relating to Constantine Simonides.
    British Library
    http://www.worldcat.org/title/newspa...=brief_results


    Robert Curzon, traveller and book collector (1983)
    Meridel Holland
    https://www.escholar.manchester.ac.u...S-DOCUMENT.PDF

    British Library MS. 42502 - The Simonides Papers (J. E. Hodgkin Simonides Papers)

    Simonides, Constantine (1824-1867) Forger of Egyptian Papyri
    Add MS 42502
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...s/rd/N13584593

    1853-61: misc papers and letters to Sir Thomas Phillipps
    Oxford University: Bodleian Library, Special Collections MSS Phillipps-Robinson (NRA 26260 Phillipps)
    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...s/rd/N13835654


    http://discovery.nationalarchives.go...tails/c/F67536
    This 1956 article could be helpful:

    The collector J. E. Hodgkin, who had befriended Simonides late in life when he was "discredited and almost destitute",16
    16 Quoted by Munby, Phillipps Studies: IV (Cambridge 1956), p. 118

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    BL Sinaiticus notes
    http://archive.is/nuzZ3#selection-206.1-206.2

    "Nothing is certainly known of the history of the manuscript before the
    19th cent."

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    ... Simonides seems to have spoken about the date of Sinaiticus prior to September 1862, in so far as Tregelles knew of this theory before then. He spoke of it to J.E. Hodgkin in 1860 and in a letter to Sir Thornas Phillipps on August 2nd 1861. (See British Library Add MS 52502A folio 348 and the Phillipps Robinson MS. collection in the Bodleian Library).
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    Last edited by Steven Avery; 04-01-2016 at 10:17 PM.

  4. Default earlier short list on PureBibleForum

    http://www.purebibleforum.com/showthread.php?t=100

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    International Resources


    The Grolier Club resources in Manhattan, NYC
    http://www.grolierclub.org/LibraryAMC.Simonides.htm
    are interesting, however I did not find any special literature about the markings. Most of what is there is available today on the net.

    England -
    British Library, as mentioned above.
    Mayer Library of Liverpool

    And that related to Gennadius in Italy that was helpful with the Barnabas info.

    And in Australia, Melbourne, State Library of Victoria (includes the Stewart Biographical Memoir)
    Henry Deane, John Eliot Hodgkin, Charles Stewart
    http://www.worldcat.org/title/letters/oclc/224729292

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    Last edited by Steven Avery; 05-30-2018 at 11:32 AM.

  5. Default Grolier Club in NYC


    The Grolier Club resources in Manhattan, NYC
    http://www.grolierclub.org/LibraryAMC.Simonides.htm
    https://web.archive.org/web/20060929111411/http://www.grolierclub.org/LibraryAMC.Simonides.htm


    RLIN ID No. NYGG01-A18 Creator Simonides, Constantine, 1820-1867. Title Papers relating to the Codex Sinaiticus, probably forged by Constantine Simonides, ca. 1856-1863. Physical Description 1 box (.25 linear ft.) Historical/Biographical Note Constantine Simonides was an exceptionally skillful calligrapher who is alleged to have sold spurious documents (as well as possibly some that were genuine) in England in the 1850s and 1860s. Among his clients were Sir Frederick Madden at the British Museum and Sir Thomas Phillipps. Simonides resided in the monasteries on Mount Athos between 1839 and 1841 and again in 1852, during which time he may have acquired or sold some of the manuscripts that he later sold. He was in England between 1853 and 1855 and then in France and Germany. In 1862 Simonides published in English journals his claim to have written the Codex Sinaiticus, which the scholar Constantine von Tischendorf had discovered at Mount Sinai some years earlier and maintained had been be written during the 4th century C.E. Scope and Contents Papers relating to Codex Sinaiticus and Constantine Simonides’ assertion that he had forged it. Includes manuscript letters dated 1856-1863. Facsimile (?) of manuscript. Letter to A.N.L. Munby from Andreas Mayor at Sothebys regarding the Codex. Includes offprints about Simonides and the manuscript. Names Mayor, Andreas. Correspondence. Munby, A. N. L. (Alan Noel Latimer), 1913-1974. Correspondence. Subjects Simonides, Constantine, 1820-1867. Bible. Greek. Codex sinaiticus. Forgeries. Forgery of manuscripts. Location Grolier Club, 47 East 60th Street, New York, N.Y. 10022-1098. Text/Archive info from

    Constantine Simonides: Papers Relating to the Codex Sinaiticus, ca. 1856-1863

    RLIN ID No.
    NYGG01-A18

    Creator
    Simonides, Constantine, 1820-1867.

    Title
    Papers relating to the Codex Sinaiticus, probably forged by Constantine Simonides, ca. 1856-1863.

    Physical Description

    1 box (.25 linear ft.)


    Historical/Biographical Note
    Constantine Simonides was an exceptionally skillful calligrapher who is alleged to have sold spurious documents (as well as possibly some that were genuine) in England in the 1850s and 1860s. Among his clients were Sir Frederick Madden at the British Museum and Sir Thomas Phillipps. Simonides resided in the monasteries on Mount Athos between 1839 and 1841 and again in 1852, during which time he may have acquired or sold some of the manuscripts that he later sold. He was in England between 1853 and 1855 and then in France and Germany. In 1862 Simonides published in English journals his claim to have written the Codex Sinaiticus, which the scholar Constantine von Tischendorf had discovered at Mount Sinai some years earlier and maintained had been be written during the 4th century C.E.

    Scope and Contents

    Papers relating to Codex Sinaiticus and Constantine Simonides’ assertion that he had forged it. Includes manuscript letters dated 1856-1863. Facsimile (?) of manuscript. Letter to A.N.L. Munby from Andreas Mayor at Sothebys regarding the Codex. Includes offprints about Simonides and the manuscript.


    Names
    Mayor, Andreas. Correspondence.
    Munby, A. N. L. (Alan Noel Latimer), 1913-1974. Correspondence.

    Subjects

    Simonides, Constantine, 1820-1867.
    Bible. Greek. Codex sinaiticus. Forgeries.
    Forgery of manuscripts.

    Location
    Grolier Club, 47 East 60th Street, New York, N.Y. 10022-1098.

  6. Default Gennadius Library in Athens

    Gennadius Library
    http://www.ascsa.edu.gr/index.php/gennadius/


    To be expanded.

  7. Default Worldcat, JStor, EOD, German and more

    Gregory gave the original size
    A few Brit sources talked of the margin notes gone.

    Can either of these be found in Tischendorf?

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    1846 CFA book - EOD estimate
    https://www.books2ebooks.eu/odm

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    1847 - article by Tischendorf where he insists on 4th century date
    1859 Review of Scriverner Augiensis
    http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbo...1000254365/383

    "and T. wrote in 1847 (Stud. u. Krit.pp. 132 f.), after visiting the libraries of all Europe, that he knew of but one Greek parchment MS. of greater antiquity, the Cod. Frid.-Aug. of the LXX. "

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    This also mentions that he sold to the British Museum in 1850s:

    Journal of Classical and Sacred Philology (1859)
    http://www.forgottenbooks.com/readbo...1000254365/379
    "The gems of the present collection are the Leicester MS. of the entire New Testament and the invaluable MS. of the Acts bought from Tischendorf by the British Museum. The readings of the latter had been given (though incompletely) in Tischendorf s own last edition" p. 375

    Mutinensis has a Tischendorf colllation and is an Acts ms. but it had been collated by Scholz and Tregelles, and is in Italy
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Mutinensis

    His last edition might have been:

    Monumenta sacra inedita. v.2 from 1857
    https://archive.org/stream/Tischendo...ge/n7/mode/2up
    https://books.google.com/books?id=-bpDlA4eQFcC&pg=PA322
    http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?i...view=1up;seq=7

    However, no Acts in the index.

    Scrivener has info
    https://books.google.com/books?id=DOFUAAAAcAAJ&pg=PR68

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    Similar to:

    "Der Codex Friderico-Augustanus ... Das pergament.. šusserst fein und zart und im Ganzen wohl erhalten, "
    "The Codex Friderico-Augustanus ...The parchment .. extremely fine and delicate, and on the whole well preserved"

    Serapeum - Leipzig, Aug 15, 1847
    https://books.google.com/books?id=l4gRAAAAIAAJ&pg=PA225

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    EOD
    Brugsch Fragments - pseudo-Sinaiticus, perhaps work-type papers
    https://www.books2ebooks.eu/odm

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    Uwe Topper in German

    3 books available in German from library

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    JSTOR

  8. Default more about the Melbourne

    Report on the materials we have from Melbourne

    "I think it was as the accession number is H17839 which is in Box 109/4(a-d), but in the 91 pages copied are materials from both H17838 [Uranius] and H17840 [Henry Deane's report] (only H17839 comes up in their online search"

    Plus the talk on Feb 27, 2018 by Malcolm Choat at Macquerie will utilize this material.

    The PDF from the library includes about 60 pages of English correspondence, the handwritings are not the easiest to decipher, and could use perusal.

    They also have the 30 page palimpsest report from the Royal Society, which is also online.

    Yet no biography. (That is also online.)

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