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Steven Avery
01-08-2019, 01:35 PM
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Hort's secrecy Roby curse for the Cambridge Apostles
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However, while working on putting up the seance page I found this ugly little tidbit about Hort. His letters had indicated an oath of secrecy but it was weirder than that, involving:

Henry John Roby. (1830-1915)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_John_Roby (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_John_Roby?fbclid=IwAR3Sdo85Fj6AHwxbEByyvgfCi 65b_Phig-PdNnu2f_S_KIPM1W012G7_Dtc)


The Cambridge Apostles, 1820-1914: Liberalism, Imagination, and Friendship in British Intellectual and Professional Life (1998)
W. C. Lubenow
https://books.google.com/books?id=Sy8Ym9N3tgUC&pg=PA46 (https://books.google.com/books?id=Sy8Ym9N3tgUC&pg=PA46&fbclid=IwAR38Bo8WxzhRJZd_O-6_QiMO44YJttj2-nGJA6mvTt7Rm_jZiCK6qw5SouY)

The case of Henry Roby is the most singular scandal and the greatest failure in the Apostles’ history. ... Fenton Hort and Robert Pomeroy were his sponsors when the Apostles elected Roby in 1855....Roby ... finding the meetings unpromising, he became busy with his other affairs.84 ...85 Misunderstanding the situation, Roby thought he could merely resign. He was stunned to receive, instead of an acknowledgement, ‘a fulmination in the form of a dismissal, drawn up I believe in form by Hort’.86 What he had done was unprecedented. In response, Hort drafted the great curse which has ever since been read out to all embryos warning them that their souls will forever writhe in torment if they reveal the existence of the Society. His name is spelt ‘roby’ in the Apostles’ records.

84 Henry John Roby, Reminiscences of My Life anti Work, for My Family Only (Cambridge, printed for private circulation at the Cambridge University Press: 1911), pp. 34-5.
85 Annan, ‘Et Tu Anthony’
86 Roby, Reminiscences of My Life and Work, pp. 34-6.


The Cambridge Apostles: The Early Years (2010)
By Peter Allen
https://books.google.com/books?id=EXTxmaWHFU8C&pg=PA230 (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fi d%3DEXTxmaWHFU8C%26pg%3DPA230%26fbclid%3DIwAR07MA3 EDUWA8hDGgpcnIvEyNxPL0KOOsnVkJNziHM3J1PCP8CCfSZ1Gn fA&h=AT2gcP_EoiI-W6-WKjw0tdPzSV4A_xtDD2O9h01bKnSeolFwubCO9JFBkIHZjxcSb mGJ0opVkCOqXhUfG1zi27B_CIvzKTrDLUi6vF6_hlE8uiHzciR 0ISKT89_EZiqrH47q)

... I am told there is no oath of secrecy as such, despite the Life of Hort, i, 171, in which Hort’s son credits him with being ‘mainly responsible for the wording of the oath which binds the members to a conspiracy of silence’. What Hort probably helped to write was the curse on Roby, for which see The Autobiography of Bertrand Russell, 1872-1914 (1967), 221.


The Autobiography of Betrand Russell (1872-1970)
https://books.google.com/books?id=dVBpAwAAQBAJ&pg=PA231 (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fi d%3DdVBpAwAAQBAJ%26pg%3DPA231%26fbclid%3DIwAR0frxp e4ppkXDHtz7rHkc1T9DMIoTimHUWPpA6Bs11afYEQKXP8OM26l Zk&h=AT18Xojk9RFXSdPHueA5dIBTgI5h5jD1g_tDI0s5_PoT3vAz DKZAQrSVTT3pm9oCFxbRwlZqQ_HUPbyIf_5mqeq8RTUQZh0VAg CwBSRhYq2Mvbu6YydlpzGq7qK8XKUmGtsb)

Henry John Roby was elected a member of the Society, but wrote to say that he was far too busy to attend the meetings and was therefore ritualistically cursed and his name was spelt thenceforth without capitals. Ever after when a new member was elected the curse was solemnly read out.


Hort's son acknowledges the silence part, and omits the curse.

Life and Letters of Fenton John Hort - v.1
https://books.google.com/books?id=Rxc3AAAAMAAJ&pg=PA171 (https://l.facebook.com/l.php?u=https%3A%2F%2Fbooks.google.com%2Fbooks%3Fi d%3DRxc3AAAAMAAJ%26pg%3DPA171%26fbclid%3DIwAR3tG2q ttVRf05w6GxQX2LDsowvK_MHgRF6drjWnNeWZiEodseb4oKptn Bg&h=AT05fVZCsrdMdV-fxhjHNcoR_S2U4DPVVs6p9osfkiIWylNEPmJYWp3fR43cb-rg0WeuscCsO9H5G3bqtNmYvkUOzbw8Rq3Z-fABk1SHLblQbr9OJuwXdfQ5VC_dtIXgx2L7)

the 'Apostles".. remained always a grateful and loyal member of the secret Club ... and he was mainly responsible for the wording of the oath which binds the members to a conspiracy of silence.


What spiritual darkness.
A supposed Christian (?) authoring a secrecy pledge involving a:

"great curse ... warning them that their souls will forever writhe in torment "